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Betrayal and Forgiveness

Yesterday my bf (we've been together 8 years and have a 3 year old, so not a casual bf) finally told me about a girl that he had a crush on in the fall. I had suspected something was up with this particular girl in his group of friends but he always denied it. We've had a lot of problems though out our relationship but in October we were at the best place we'd ever been in. Suddenly everything changed. He was distant and angry and told me he was depressed. He had just started a new job so I thought maybe it was the stress of that. This particular girl was hardly mentioned and pretty much he made it sound like he disliked her.

 We had some heart to heart conversations over the past few weeks and were working through some other issues around finances and things between us and I was starting to think things were getting back on track. Two days ago his phone rang at 7 am and it was that girl. I got very angry but he claimed later that she only was calling because he had found her iPod the day before. Then yesterday evening his phone rang and it was her again! I demanded he answer her call in front of me but he wouldn't. After that is when he told me he had started to have a crush on her last semester but then put a stop to it. He swore up and down that nothing happened physically and that they never hung out outside of school. He's also going to school full time right now as well as working. He said they would study in public places and nothing went beyond that. I asked why the heck she was still calling him then because obviously she thought that was ok. He said he had told her the day before that he no longer wanted to hang out with her and I guess he said it hurt her feelings so she kept trying to call. He said two weeks ago they worked together on a project and thats when she started trying to hang out with him again. To be honest I do believe he never took things past a flirty friendship but at the same time all the lying has led me to feel completely betrayed. He has said up and down that he is sorry and he will do anything. He did end up texting her and showing me their conversation and him saying that he didn't want to study together or anything anymore. She didn't write back. He has said he would switch his major or anything I want to try to make me feel better. The thing is I just want to trust him and now I don't. 

I guess I'm wondering if anyone has ever dealt with this type of betrayal. Is this enough to end my relationship or is there a way to repair what has been done? I just don't know and I feel so sad. :( He says he knows that he messed up big time and that he will comply with anything I need in regards to what he does or who he hangs out with and me being paranoid and untrusting of him.  The thing is that's not the type of relationship I want. I want one were I trust the other person. This has never happened in the past of our relationship in any other way shape or form. And he didn't cheat but the lying still breaks my heart. I think innocent crushes aren't really a big deal but him lying and hiding her is.

Any insight would be appreciated and sorry this was so long.
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Re: Betrayal and Forgiveness

  • Only you can say if this is a dealbreaker for you. I will say the fact that a) he is contrite, b) he wants to make it better, and c) you believe he didn't take things beyond friendship are all good signs.
  • Yesterday my bf (we've been together 8 years and have a 3 year old, so not a casual bf) finally told me about a girl that he had a crush on in the fall. I had suspected something was up with this particular girl in his group of friends but he always denied it. We've had a lot of problems though out our relationship but in October we were at the best place we'd ever been in. Suddenly everything changed. He was distant and angry and told me he was depressed. He had just started a new job so I thought maybe it was the stress of that. This particular girl was hardly mentioned and pretty much he made it sound like he disliked her.

     We had some heart to heart conversations over the past few weeks and were working through some other issues around finances and things between us and I was starting to think things were getting back on track. Two days ago his phone rang at 7 am and it was that girl. I got very angry but he claimed later that she only was calling because he had found her iPod the day before. Then yesterday evening his phone rang and it was her again! I demanded he answer her call in front of me but he wouldn't. After that is when he told me he had started to have a crush on her last semester but then put a stop to it. He swore up and down that nothing happened physically and that they never hung out outside of school. He's also going to school full time right now as well as working. He said they would study in public places and nothing went beyond that. I asked why the heck she was still calling him then because obviously she thought that was ok. He said he had told her the day before that he no longer wanted to hang out with her and I guess he said it hurt her feelings so she kept trying to call. He said two weeks ago they worked together on a project and thats when she started trying to hang out with him again. To be honest I do believe he never took things past a flirty friendship but at the same time all the lying has led me to feel completely betrayed. He has said up and down that he is sorry and he will do anything. He did end up texting her and showing me their conversation and him saying that he didn't want to study together or anything anymore. She didn't write back. He has said he would switch his major or anything I want to try to make me feel better. The thing is I just want to trust him and now I don't. 

    I guess I'm wondering if anyone has ever dealt with this type of betrayal. Is this enough to end my relationship or is there a way to repair what has been done? I just don't know and I feel so sad. :( He says he knows that he messed up big time and that he will comply with anything I need in regards to what he does or who he hangs out with and me being paranoid and untrusting of him.  The thing is that's not the type of relationship I want. I want one were I trust the other person. This has never happened in the past of our relationship in any other way shape or form. And he didn't cheat but the lying still breaks my heart. I think innocent crushes aren't really a big deal but him lying and hiding her is.

    Any insight would be appreciated and sorry this was so long.
    Maybe your relationship with him has run its course.

    Have you ever considered that might be a possibility?

    Why is this person calling your bf at such an early hour? this is only about an iPod that he has that is hers? I don't think so.

    Perhaps you're better off calling it a day, calling this relationship quits and getting out. If he's not going to get chummy and have an inappropriate relationship with this young woman, he sure witll with another.
  • Everyone decides for themselves when something has crossed the line. If this is something that affects your trust in him (which it sounds like it is), maybe he has crossed the line and you won't be able to trust him. A relationship like that is no fun for anyone. It's not your fault if something has changed for you. Sometimes people do something and no matter how much we want to get over it, we just can't. It's happened to me before, and as much as I wanted it to work out, it just didn't. I felt different, and it was a relief when I finally allowed myself to give up and end it. But only you can decide if it's worth the stress of trying to trust him again, or if he truly can't make it up to you. Don't blame yourself if you can't accept his apology. If he really wanted you to trust him, he should have been trustworthy all along. Sorry you're in this situation.
  • I look at it from a different perspective. Why have you been together for 8 years and have a 3 year old child yet you are not married? Is this his choice? If so, I think this red flag is even more concerning if he is not willing to make that commitment with you. I am a believer that when you choose to have children with someone, it is extremely important to make things work so that the child has a mother and father (obviously there are exceptions to this rule for example, abuse and I would put adultery in this category as well). The situation does seem fishy and I think you need to have a long talk with your boyfriend to figure out what really happened, if this has happened before and where your relationship stands. PP was quick to suggest moving on from this relationship but I don't think we have enough info to suggest that and in addition a child is involved. Have you thought of counseling?
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  • GilliCGilliC member
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    edited March 2014
    daisy662 said:
    I look at it from a different perspective. Why have you been together for 8 years and have a 3 year old child yet you are not married? Is this his choice? If so, I think this red flag is even more concerning if he is not willing to make that commitment with you. I am a believer that when you choose to have children with someone, it is extremely important to make things work so that the child has a mother and father (obviously there are exceptions to this rule for example, abuse and I would put adultery in this category as well). 
    Some people don't believe that a commitment to one another needs to involve the government or a religious institution. I'm not saying that's the case here, but two people can have the same level of commitment to each other without signing a piece of paper at the courthouse. I definitely know people who are more committed to each other without being legally married than a lot of people are who rushed into a church in a big white dress after a year together.

    As for the second bolded statement... Huh?! Unless one of them dies, the child will always have a mother and father. This is nonsense.
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  • Yesterday my bf (we've been together 8 years and have a 3 year old, so not a casual bf) finally told me about a girl that he had a crush on in the fall. I had suspected something was up with this particular girl in his group of friends but he always denied it. We've had a lot of problems though out our relationship but in October we were at the best place we'd ever been in. Suddenly everything changed. He was distant and angry and told me he was depressed. He had just started a new job so I thought maybe it was the stress of that. This particular girl was hardly mentioned and pretty much he made it sound like he disliked her.

     We had some heart to heart conversations over the past few weeks and were working through some other issues around finances and things between us and I was starting to think things were getting back on track. Two days ago his phone rang at 7 am and it was that girl. I got very angry but he claimed later that she only was calling because he had found her iPod the day before. Then yesterday evening his phone rang and it was her again! I demanded he answer her call in front of me but he wouldn't. After that is when he told me he had started to have a crush on her last semester but then put a stop to it. He swore up and down that nothing happened physically and that they never hung out outside of school. He's also going to school full time right now as well as working. He said they would study in public places and nothing went beyond that. I asked why the heck she was still calling him then because obviously she thought that was ok. He said he had told her the day before that he no longer wanted to hang out with her and I guess he said it hurt her feelings so she kept trying to call. He said two weeks ago they worked together on a project and thats when she started trying to hang out with him again. To be honest I do believe he never took things past a flirty friendship but at the same time all the lying has led me to feel completely betrayed. He has said up and down that he is sorry and he will do anything. He did end up texting her and showing me their conversation and him saying that he didn't want to study together or anything anymore. She didn't write back. He has said he would switch his major or anything I want to try to make me feel better. The thing is I just want to trust him and now I don't. 

    I guess I'm wondering if anyone has ever dealt with this type of betrayal. Is this enough to end my relationship or is there a way to repair what has been done? I just don't know and I feel so sad. :( He says he knows that he messed up big time and that he will comply with anything I need in regards to what he does or who he hangs out with and me being paranoid and untrusting of him.  The thing is that's not the type of relationship I want. I want one were I trust the other person. This has never happened in the past of our relationship in any other way shape or form. And he didn't cheat but the lying still breaks my heart. I think innocent crushes aren't really a big deal but him lying and hiding her is.

    Any insight would be appreciated and sorry this was so long.
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  • GilliC said:
    daisy662 said:
    I look at it from a different perspective. Why have you been together for 8 years and have a 3 year old child yet you are not married? Is this his choice? If so, I think this red flag is even more concerning if he is not willing to make that commitment with you. I am a believer that when you choose to have children with someone, it is extremely important to make things work so that the child has a mother and father (obviously there are exceptions to this rule for example, abuse and I would put adultery in this category as well). 
    Some people don't believe that a commitment to one another needs to involve the government or a religious institution. I'm not saying that's the case here, but two people can have the same level of commitment to each other without signing a piece of paper at the courthouse. I definitely know people who are more committed to each other without being legally married than a lot of people are who rushed into a church in a big white dress after a year together.

    As for the second bolded statement... Huh?! Unless one of them dies, the child will always have a mother and father. This is nonsense.

    My point was that if he was not interested in being committed to her then that should have been a red flag especially with a child. I know my values are conservative but i believe that it is better for a child to have a mother and father involved in their day to day life as opposed to being shuffled between two homes with girlfriends or boyfriends and step parents and all that goes along with that. I believe it is in the best interest of the child for parents who committed themselves to each other and decided to bring a child into this world to stay together and make the child's life as wonderful as possible. I believe once you have children it isn't about you anymore but about your child. Again, unless there are extenuating circumstances. I think the situation OP describes is pretty ridiculous because she flat out says her relationship has always had issues yet she chose to bring a child into it. Seems there were a lot of red flags she ignored along the way.
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  • daisy662 said:
    GilliC said:
    daisy662 said:
    I look at it from a different perspective. Why have you been together for 8 years and have a 3 year old child yet you are not married? Is this his choice? If so, I think this red flag is even more concerning if he is not willing to make that commitment with you. I am a believer that when you choose to have children with someone, it is extremely important to make things work so that the child has a mother and father (obviously there are exceptions to this rule for example, abuse and I would put adultery in this category as well). 
    Some people don't believe that a commitment to one another needs to involve the government or a religious institution. I'm not saying that's the case here, but two people can have the same level of commitment to each other without signing a piece of paper at the courthouse. I definitely know people who are more committed to each other without being legally married than a lot of people are who rushed into a church in a big white dress after a year together.

    As for the second bolded statement... Huh?! Unless one of them dies, the child will always have a mother and father. This is nonsense.

    My point was that if he was not interested in being committed to her then that should have been a red flag especially with a child. I know my values are conservative but i believe that it is better for a child to have a mother and father involved in their day to day life as opposed to being shuffled between two homes with girlfriends or boyfriends and step parents and all that goes along with that. I believe it is in the best interest of the child for parents who committed themselves to each other and decided to bring a child into this world to stay together and make the child's life as wonderful as possible. I believe once you have children it isn't about you anymore but about your child. Again, unless there are extenuating circumstances. I think the situation OP describes is pretty ridiculous because she flat out says her relationship has always had issues yet she chose to bring a child into it. Seems there were a lot of red flags she ignored along the way.
    I agree that bringing a child into a troubled relationship isn't a good idea, but the ship sailed on that discussion three years ago.

    If you'd accidentally gotten pregnant, do you think it would have been a good idea to stay with your ex because of the child?

    ...But this discussion is completely getting off track, because I think that if OP is interested in preserving her relationship, it's possible. Counseling is in order, and I agree that it's crap that he lied about his crush, but if he really didn't act on it, and she truly believes him, then there is some possibility of moving on. I'm not saying he's not a lying liar who lies, but if he can be trusted again is the OP and their counselor's call. Not mine.
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  • dmndsr4evadmndsr4eva member
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    I don't have a whole lot of advice to offer you other than to tell you what happened to me.  Things were feeling weird between me and my FI and one day he accidentally left his phone at home.  I looked through his phone and found a text he sent to a woman that he thought he had deleted.  The text said good morning beautiful.  

    I asked her what was going on and of course she said nothing.  He came home and I asked him what was going on and he said the same thing your BF did.  That it was a flirtation, mainly they talked about work stuff, nothing happened, etc.

    Well because we were having a lot of problems at the time I decided to let it go and we would continue to work on our relationship.

    Well a few weeks later he left his google voice up on the computer while he was gone.  For piece of mind I looked at his google voice trash and found all of the messages he had had with this woman and others.  And they were not innocent.  He was basically sexting with that one particular woman and telling her he wanted her sexually and wanted to spend time with her and take her out on dates.

    Any how my point to you is that you really don't know if he is telling you the whole truth or not.  The only reason I found out the truth was by accident.  He initially claimed he was coming clean but it was a lie.  

    I am still with him but honestly it is not going well.  I really don't trust him and I don't know if I ever will.  He blames me and tells me that he wanted our relationship to end because I wasn't treating him good.  Which the only reason I am still with him is because I did have some lingering issues with my ex who I have a child with.  So I can see why he felt rejected.  But either way it was so wrong the way he betrayed me and it is so hard to trust after that betrayal.
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  • I don't have a whole lot of advice to offer you other than to tell you what happened to me.  Things were feeling weird between me and my FI and one day he accidentally left his phone at home.  I looked through his phone and found a text he sent to a woman that he thought he had deleted.  The text said good morning beautiful.  

    I asked her what was going on and of course she said nothing.  He came home and I asked him what was going on and he said the same thing your BF did.  That it was a flirtation, mainly they talked about work stuff, nothing happened, etc.

    Well because we were having a lot of problems at the time I decided to let it go and we would continue to work on our relationship.

    Well a few weeks later he left his google voice up on the computer while he was gone.  For piece of mind I looked at his google voice trash and found all of the messages he had had with this woman and others.  And they were not innocent.  He was basically sexting with that one particular woman and telling her he wanted her sexually and wanted to spend time with her and take her out on dates.

    Any how my point to you is that you really don't know if he is telling you the whole truth or not.  The only reason I found out the truth was by accident.  He initially claimed he was coming clean but it was a lie.  

    I am still with him but honestly it is not going well.  I really don't trust him and I don't know if I ever will.  He blames me and tells me that he wanted our relationship to end because I wasn't treating him good.  Which the only reason I am still with him is because I did have some lingering issues with my ex who I have a child with.  So I can see why he felt rejected.  But either way it was so wrong the way he betrayed me and it is so hard to trust after that betrayal.
    You're a mess. Get some therapy.
  • @dmndsr4eva - I'm with the PP.

    WHY would you stay with him if you already don't trust him.  Especially if he's blaming you and "he wanted our relationship to end because I wasn't treating him good".  Give him what he wants, DTMF. 

    I also can't understand why lingering issues with your ex (who I assume is previous to this guy?) has anything to do with THIS crappy relationship.

    You need to get some help.  Your current partner is saying he wants to break up, you don't trust him (and aren't sure you ever will), and you say it's not going well.

    Writing's on the wall.  Get out.  Get out NOW.
  • @dmndsr4eva - I'm with the PP.

    WHY would you stay with him if you already don't trust him.  Especially if he's blaming you and "he wanted our relationship to end because I wasn't treating him good".  Give him what he wants, DTMF. 

    I also can't understand why lingering issues with your ex (who I assume is previous to this guy?) has anything to do with THIS crappy relationship.

    You need to get some help.  Your current partner is saying he wants to break up, you don't trust him (and aren't sure you ever will), and you say it's not going well.

    Writing's on the wall.  Get out.  Get out NOW.
    Well obviously there is a lot more involved in the story than I was able to write here.  I guess there's a part of me that thinks if he really wants out he should be the one to leave.   I assume he still wants the relationship or he would have already left.
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  • @dmndsr4eva - I'm with the PP.

    WHY would you stay with him if you already don't trust him.  Especially if he's blaming you and "he wanted our relationship to end because I wasn't treating him good".  Give him what he wants, DTMF. 

    I also can't understand why lingering issues with your ex (who I assume is previous to this guy?) has anything to do with THIS crappy relationship.

    You need to get some help.  Your current partner is saying he wants to break up, you don't trust him (and aren't sure you ever will), and you say it's not going well.

    Writing's on the wall.  Get out.  Get out NOW.
    Well obviously there is a lot more involved in the story than I was able to write here.  I guess there's a part of me that thinks if he really wants out he should be the one to leave.   I assume he still wants the relationship or he would have already left.
    This is extremely unhealthy thinking. Seriously, you need therapy. 
  • And you yourself admitted there are numerous problems, and have been, for the duration of your 8 year relationship.

    Why do you want a guy like that?? And why do you want a relationship full of problems?

    Just based on that, say goodbye to him.

    And it would have been ever so much easier to go out the door if no kiddo was in the picture. Call me a prude and horribly old fashioned but I can't see why you brought a child into a marriageless relationship -- and I can't see why you had a child considering the whole relationship was rocky and full of strife.

    Say goodbye to this guy and go. Make sure you get child support; see an attorney to make that happen.
  • Youve been together for 8 years, but you were 12 when you got together right?

    The level of maturity that you both show, proves that this  relationship is not a healthy one.

    Why in the world would he be the one to leave when he can have both of you?

    Hey, if you want to be with a person you cant trust, and treats you with no respect go for it, but you are/will be teaching your child the same lesson. I would think you would want more for them.


  • Thank you for the replies. To address the child issue several people have brought up, my daughter was a big surprise and not planned at all. I was 20 when I got pregnant. As for the person who commented about being 12, you're not far off. I was 16 so yes we are both still young and you're right not as mature as we would be if all of this had occurred when we were older. I would have never purposely brought a child into this world before marriage and trying to maintain a stable life with her father is one of the reasons I tried so hard this entire relationship. My life may not have gone as I planned but I still hoped one day we would get married.

    As for the original advise I asked for I'm sad to say he turned out to be a complete liar. About two hours after I posted I asked to see his texts and he wouldn't let me. He finally admitted he was cheating. I kicked him out and we are now in the middle of sorting through custody and child support. I wanted more than anything for this not to be the case, but I will never trust him again. Eventually I will forgive him for my own piece of mind but I will never be with him again. Its been a really rough few days. Thanks again ladies!
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  • well, im sorry you are going through this it sucks. i am glad you will be happy again in a bit.


  • So sorry OP. Glad you are getting out. Good luck to you.
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  • I am so sorry he is such a prick. Cheaters suck. Good for you to get out of this though. Stay strong and everything will be fine. Happiness is important and you will be happy again! Best wishes... xo

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  • I actually come at this from a different point of view, and I hope no one gets ticked at me for my response. I think that having a flirtatious friendship with someone of the opposite sex, even when in a committed relationship is OK. In fact, there are lots of studies that show that this can even help a couple in a committed relationship. 

    HOWEVER, the key to this is that the friendship cannot be a distraction from the relationship, and the people in the relationship have to completely trust and be faithful with one another. Without these two elements, you end up in the predicament you're in...

    If you truly don't trust him, and if there are so many underlying issues with your relationship, then this is a major problem. But, having children does make things different. If you truly believe he has been faithful to you, and you are mostly struggling with other issues and trust, I would suggest that you seek counseling, potentially separately or apart. In separate sessions, you may get a better understanding of why he feels he needs or craves the attention from another woman. 

    8 years is a long time, regardless of how old you were when you got together. I say if you are really committed and love each other, try to make it work, but if you *truly* feel that the underlying issues will never be solved, then, as PPs have said, perhaps the relationship has run it's course.
  • I completely agree with ReturnOfKuus! Better times are ahead- Good luck to you! 
  • I'm sorry to hear how things turned out!  But good for you for being strong and kicking him to the curb.  I promise you will look back some day and see this as the start to a better life. 
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