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Ben Carson Tied for 1st Place

It's still early but Ben Carson has surged ahead in the polls for the GOP Presidential nomination. He is tied for 1st place. Run Ben Run!

Re: Ben Carson Tied for 1st Place

  • Is he the one promoting a flat tax?  I think I heard that on the MM Board...maybe by you, @MommyLiberty5013 :).

    If so, he really peaks my interest. 

  • Is he the one promoting a flat tax?  I think I heard that on the MM Board...maybe by you, @MommyLiberty5013 :).

    If so, he really peaks my interest. 

    Yup. That's the guy! He's a retired pediatric neurosurgeon - was head of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins.
  • I like him a lot!!
  • He is really bringing folks together from many walks of life, backgrounds, and occupations. I have "liked" him on FB and I love seeing the photos people sending in...doctors, nurses, students, moms, dads, small biz owners, etc..
  • als1982als1982 member
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  • als1982 said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/31/carson-defends-giving-paid-speeches-while-official-2016-presidential-candidate/


    This article is interesting too. Apparently the speeches were prior engagements booked along time ago costing other people a lot of money.

    Carson said, "People have gone through a lot of trouble getting sponsors and selling tables,” said Carson, a retired pediatric neurosurgeon. “You don't just walk out on them. I think that is horrible."

    I think this is honest. He isn't hiding the speeches and he is fulfilling his prior contracts and engagements. He runs two non-profits and with the prior medical experience he has, it makes sense he had speeches booked.


  • Is he the one promoting a flat tax?  I think I heard that on the MM Board...maybe by you, @MommyLiberty5013 :).

    If so, he really peaks my interest. 


    A flat tax is a terrible idea. It's regressive. Fair does not always mean treating everyone the same. A flat tax lowers the tax burden on the wealthy and increases it on the poor. Not only that, but because the majority of the wealth in our country is currently concentrated in the top 20% of the population, a 10% flat tax as Carson advocates would result in a huge deficit in tax income which would have to be made up with additional cuts to spending.

    The flat tax is akin to a couple splitting all expenses 50/50 when one person makes significantly more than the other. For example, you make $2000 a month, your spouse makes $20,000 a month. You each contribute 50% to a joint account for rent and utilities, whatever you have leftover is for your own bills. 50% of your income leaves you with $1000 a month to pay your car payment, student loans, credit cards, medical, etc. Your is left with $10,000 and he's not sharing. It disproportionately leaves you with the higher tax burden.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/14/1209013/-Why-a-Flat-Rate-Tax-is-Unfair-A-Quick-Overview-of-America-s-Wealth-Inequality-and-Tax-Structure

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/flat-tax-progressive-tax_b_1026339.html

     

  • BlueBirdMBBlueBirdMB member
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    edited July 2015
    A flat tax would, in essence, completely eliminate lobbying all together.  Isn't that something the left should like???  Isn't the left always belly aching about how large corporations aren't paying taxes?  A flat tax eliminates all loop holes for personal and corporate taxes.  I would think the left would love that.

  • Is he the one promoting a flat tax?  I think I heard that on the MM Board...maybe by you, @MommyLiberty5013 :).

    If so, he really peaks my interest. 


    A flat tax is a terrible idea. It's regressive. Fair does not always mean treating everyone the same. A flat tax lowers the tax burden on the wealthy and increases it on the poor. Not only that, but because the majority of the wealth in our country is currently concentrated in the top 20% of the population, a 10% flat tax as Carson advocates would result in a huge deficit in tax income which would have to be made up with additional cuts to spending.

    The flat tax is akin to a couple splitting all expenses 50/50 when one person makes significantly more than the other. For example, you make $2000 a month, your spouse makes $20,000 a month. You each contribute 50% to a joint account for rent and utilities, whatever you have leftover is for your own bills. 50% of your income leaves you with $1000 a month to pay your car payment, student loans, credit cards, medical, etc. Your is left with $10,000 and he's not sharing. It disproportionately leaves you with the higher tax burden.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/14/1209013/-Why-a-Flat-Rate-Tax-is-Unfair-A-Quick-Overview-of-America-s-Wealth-Inequality-and-Tax-Structure

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/flat-tax-progressive-tax_b_1026339.html

     

    Bolded. Exactly. We need cuts to spending. We are out of control with spending. It needs to happen and a flat tax would cease the need for lobbying and force the nation to cut back on unnecessary whims and desires like breast pumps for all moms under the new ACA (we cannot afford breast pumps!!!). It's about knowing the difference between a need and a desire.
  • A big concern of how taxes are done in this country is how ridiculously complicated our system is.  "A write off for X this year, but not the next year.  Special write-offs for A,B, and C, but not D,E,F."  Every year there are hundreds of pages of tax code changes.

    Americans spend millions (probably billions) on tax services every year to help them file their taxes.  It costs billions every year just to run the IRS.

    So much waste that is primarily caused by having such a complicated system, with thousands of different "write-offs" and exceptions.

    I know I will be super unpopular with this opinion and it would never fly.  But, in my world, there would be few to no write-offs...even the popular, common ones.  A person wants to buy a house?  Great!  But no more interest deductions.  A person wants to have a child?  Great, but why must we all be forced to support that choice by giving parents a break on their taxes for having a dependent(s)?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all blaming anyone for taking whatever deductions they can...I do, even considering how I feel about them...I just think they are an unfair advantage to given to specific groups of people, often for no or not much good reason.

  • @short+sassy I completely agree that taxes are far too complicated.  I believe that government in general is too complicated, which leads to corruption and wasteful spending.  I'd support almost anything that simplified the tax code and I 100% support a constitutional amendment for single issue bills.

    "It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood." James Madison, 1787
  •   I would also love the terms of Senators and Representatives to have lifetime limits. And, I'd like the president to only be able to hold office for 6 years. I think a lot of time in a president's 1st term is wasted on campaigning for a 2nd term.
  • @short+sassy I completely agree that taxes are far too complicated.  I believe that government in general is too complicated, which leads to corruption and wasteful spending.  I'd support almost anything that simplified the tax code and I 100% support a constitutional amendment for single issue bills.

    "It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood." James Madison, 1787

    Thanks for the fantastic quote from James Madison!

    I was just thinking about this same idea, different topic, when I was on the Money Matters board the other day.  The forum post was about recommendations for setting up a will and living will.  Some of the posters recommended hiring an attorney vs. using an online form because laws are so state specific.  I'm not saying that's bad advice, it's probably good advice.  But how sad is it that I need to hire an attorney JUST so my husband and I can make sure our worldly possessions are left to each other?  I guess it would be more complicated if we died at the same time, but still.

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