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travel rewards credit card

Hi all,

I know from lurking that many of you are skilled in the art of credit card reward points, so I know this is a good place to go for advice. A bit of background: my H and I are reliable credit card users with high FICO scores (over 800). We typically charge at least $2,000 per month (often more, depending on what we have going on in any given month in terms of vacation or home renovations) and pay it off in full each time and never accrue interest. We currently have a Discover card that I've had for over 10 years (H is an authorized user and has his own card on the same account) with over $1800 in cash back that we've accumulated over a long period of time. We recently booked a Mediterranean cruise for next July which starts and ends in Barcelona. It's certainly within our means to pay for the two round-trip tickets, but since we've got almost a year and charge a lot each month (a good portion of what we charge is groceries, gas, and eating out), we thought we'd investigate a new card that specifically gives travel rewards and be as strategic about what we use it for as possible, in hopes of getting at least one (hopefully both!) of the tickets paid for with points. My research so far has Chase Sapphire Preferred and Capital One Venture Rewards as the two top contenders. I was curious if any of you have experience with either of these cards and/or if you have perfected a specific strategy that helps you rack up the most points possible. If it's helpful at all, it looks like the two airlines that fly direct from the airport we'd use to Barcelona are United and Lufthansa. Thanks in advance! :)

Re: travel rewards credit card

  • als1982als1982 member
    1000 Comments 500 Love Its Third Anniversary Name Dropper
    edited August 2015
    All cards are different, but I can tell you that from my experience booking international flights using rewards, that you need to do it well in advance.  (We typically do it a year out and the closest we've done it is 10 months, typically because we often have specific dates in mind, like you will for your cruise booking.)  You'd likely find decent availability now, but since you're looking at such specific dates, I don't know that I'd risk waiting too long.  What I'd almost recommend is getting the card ASAP and then using the sign-up bonus to book one person's flights and then expect to pay for the other person's.  All of this is based on my experience with United.  That said, fly Lufthansa if you can.  SO much nicer!!  Oh, and stay extra days in Barcelona.  It's hands down my most favorite city!

    ETA:  I failed to actually provide card suggestions!  We also have the United card which we like.  And we have and like the Barclay Arrival Plus card, but it's benefits will decrease in value starting in October.  It's also a travel reimbursement card, which offers some nice flexibility, but you only have 120 days to request said reimbursement.  A lot of people also rave about the Chase Sapphire and other non-brand specific Chase cards and their flexibility to fly with a variety of carriers.  I will recommend against a hotel specific card (Marriott, SPG, etc.) unless you're incurring a lot of paid stays.  The points earned on purchases just don't offer the same value that airline cards do.
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  • We have the United Mileage Plus card.  We charge everything we possibly can to rack up points - we even put the down payment of our last car on the credit card!  When online shopping, I always go through the United website - you can find many, many retailers that offer bonus points per dollar spent.

    I agree with ALS1982, I would definitely fly Lufthansa over United.  That said, they are partner airlines, so you may be able to snag a United flight operated by Lufthansa when redeeming miles.  And if you're not redeeming miles, you should be able to earn miles at the very least.

    I find availability varies based on the route.  We recently booked a trip to Paris for next month and found there was plenty of availability to redeem miles on the flight out, but the flight back wasn't direct.  We opted to not use our miles.  If you have a specific itinerary, I wouldn't wait terribly long if you have your heart set on redeeming miles.  Otherwise, I'd pay for it, earn the miles and use the on a future trip.

    We love the United card.  Over the past several years we've flown for free to Europe, the Caribbean and South America.  We went to Hawaii last year for free (though splurged on upgrading to economy plus - totally worth it!!) and we're going again to Hawaii, this time to a different island, for free in a couple of months.   And we're still not done with our miles!
  • I'm guessing you're talking about the MileagePlus Explorer card? It seems like it may be worth the $95 a year then, right? I looked at the MileagePlus Club card and the benefits didn't seem much better and it's $450 a year! Ack!
  • I have the Capital One Venture One (the no annual fee version) and I LOVE it. Some advantages it has:

    -Points accrued become available within a few days, as opposed to within a billing cycle.
    -Complete flexibility on how to spend the points. We've used them for airfare, hotels, car rental, even campsites. Since everything looks like a "regular" booking on the vendor's side, there are never any blackout dates. If a seat is available, you can have it.
    -Good customer service whenever I've had to deal with them.
    -No foreign transaction fees.
    -Card has a chip, and a believe you can get a pin too.
  • I have the Capital One venture card, and I decided to upgrade it to the $59 fee card because I charge a lot like you do. It was well worth it for me to pay the fee for doubling the rewards because of what we charge monthly (we charge all day care costs among everything else, so it adds up quickly!)  I guess my suggestions is to consider using a fee card if it will make sense for your rewards. I believe I did not have to pay a fee until a year of use, but my memory is a little foggy on that. My husband and I have accrued about $3500 in travel (after several years, but only 2 years with the fee card), and we just booked our first flight. It's extremely convenient to book through capital one. Good luck!
  • We have Chase Sapphire and Chase Ink - the Ink card is a business card so it may not be useful for you guys, but if there is any justification for you to have one it's the biggest bang for your buck in terms of the sign up bonus.  They also have 5x point categories for a few things, including office supply stores. Any time we are making a large purchase on Amazon or Home Depot, etc. I drop by the Office Depot and get gift cards to get 5x points.  The Chase points are transferrable to multiple airlines and hotels, so we prefer it over the designated airline cards.  That said, we also fly out of Atlanta which is a Delta hub... and Delta miles are called "skypesos" by many travel boards online because they are so worthless... so we need the added flexibility the Chase cards give us.  If you are certain you will be flying United/Lufthansa for this trip (or future trips) because you tend to fly from a United hub, then the United card might work for you.

    We have booked reward flights less than a year out - we got our flights to Germany/Belgium over Christmas just a couple months ago on Lufthansa - but I would encourage you to do some searches on United's website just to check availability before you assume you'll be able to get them.  United's website will pull up options for their partner airlines too, not just United flights.  For our trip, we could see that reward seats were gone about 6 months in advance, so we were fine with an 8-month window... but Barcelona may be different.

    You'll need 60K points per flight to do the roundtrip economy fair on United or Lufthansa.
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  • bparkhur said:
    I have the Capital One venture card, and I decided to upgrade it to the $59 fee card because I charge a lot like you do. It was well worth it for me to pay the fee for doubling the rewards because of what we charge monthly (we charge all day care costs among everything else, so it adds up quickly!)  I guess my suggestions is to consider using a fee card if it will make sense for your rewards. I believe I did not have to pay a fee until a year of use, but my memory is a little foggy on that. My husband and I have accrued about $3500 in travel (after several years, but only 2 years with the fee card), and we just booked our first flight. It's extremely convenient to book through capital one. Good luck!
    To the bolded, this may be the case.  I had a US Air card a few years ago and never paid a fee since I cancelled in before the fee free first year was over.  I liked that card while I had it for the booking discounts, free bag and priority boarding.

  • I have the Capital One Venture One (the no annual fee version) and I LOVE it. Some advantages it has: -Points accrued become available within a few days, as opposed to within a billing cycle. -Complete flexibility on how to spend the points. We've used them for airfare, hotels, car rental, even campsites. Since everything looks like a "regular" booking on the vendor's side, there are never any blackout dates. If a seat is available, you can have it. -Good customer service whenever I've had to deal with them. -No foreign transaction fees. -Card has a chip, and a believe you can get a pin too.

    That's what's the most appealing to us about this one! How have you redeemed your points in the past - do you use the Purchase Eraser? It sounds so easy - have you found it to be that way?
  • MrsRap720 said:




    I have the Capital One Venture One (the no annual fee version) and I LOVE it. Some advantages it has:

    -Points accrued become available within a few days, as opposed to within a billing cycle.
    -Complete flexibility on how to spend the points. We've used them for airfare, hotels, car rental, even campsites. Since everything looks like a "regular" booking on the vendor's side, there are never any blackout dates. If a seat is available, you can have it.
    -Good customer service whenever I've had to deal with them.
    -No foreign transaction fees.
    -Card has a chip, and a believe you can get a pin too.


    That's what's the most appealing to us about this one! How have you redeemed your points in the past - do you use the Purchase Eraser? It sounds so easy - have you found it to be that way?


    Yes! It is absolutely as easy as described. You just click a button within 45 days of your purchase and that amount is deducted from your balance. No hassle about reward seats or anything like that. All travel-related purchases, even down to things like bus tickets and uber rides, show up on a list and you can chose what to erase.

    I will agree with the PP who said the annual fee version is worth it if you'll use the card a lot. I wish we'd gone that way.
  • hoffse said:
    We have Chase Sapphire and Chase Ink - the Ink card is a business card so it may not be useful for you guys, but if there is any justification for you to have one it's the biggest bang for your buck in terms of the sign up bonus.  They also have 5x point categories for a few things, including office supply stores. Any time we are making a large purchase on Amazon or Home Depot, etc. I drop by the Office Depot and get gift cards to get 5x points.  The Chase points are transferrable to multiple airlines and hotels, so we prefer it over the designated airline cards.  That said, we also fly out of Atlanta which is a Delta hub... and Delta miles are called "skypesos" by many travel boards online because they are so worthless... so we need the added flexibility the Chase cards give us.  If you are certain you will be flying United/Lufthansa for this trip (or future trips) because you tend to fly from a United hub, then the United card might work for you.

    We have booked reward flights less than a year out - we got our flights to Germany/Belgium over Christmas just a couple months ago on Lufthansa - but I would encourage you to do some searches on United's website just to check availability before you assume you'll be able to get them.  United's website will pull up options for their partner airlines too, not just United flights.  For our trip, we could see that reward seats were gone about 6 months in advance, so we were fine with an 8-month window... but Barcelona may be different.

    You'll need 60K points per flight to do the roundtrip economy fair on United or Lufthansa.

    Thanks so much for the thorough response! The Ink card unfortunately isn't an option for us since we don't have the business link. Although we do live near a United hub, I don't like the idea of being tied down to a specific airline either, which is why these two cards were the most appealing.

    Question for you on redeeming the points - how exactly did you go about booking the trip? That's the part I can't quite wrap my head around in my research. Did you transfer your points through United and then book through them, or did you do it through Chase? If you did it through Chase, did the 60K points per flight still apply?

  • I have the Capital One Venture One (the no annual fee version) and I LOVE it. Some advantages it has: -Points accrued become available within a few days, as opposed to within a billing cycle. -Complete flexibility on how to spend the points. We've used them for airfare, hotels, car rental, even campsites. Since everything looks like a "regular" booking on the vendor's side, there are never any blackout dates. If a seat is available, you can have it. -Good customer service whenever I've had to deal with them. -No foreign transaction fees. -Card has a chip, and a believe you can get a pin too.

    That's what's the most appealing to us about this one! How have you redeemed your points in the past - do you use the Purchase Eraser? It sounds so easy - have you found it to be that way?
    Yes! It is absolutely as easy as described. You just click a button within 45 days of your purchase and that amount is deducted from your balance. No hassle about reward seats or anything like that. All travel-related purchases, even down to things like bus tickets and uber rides, show up on a list and you can chose what to erase. I will agree with the PP who said the annual fee version is worth it if you'll use the card a lot. I wish we'd gone that way.
    This is how the Barclaycard Arrival Plus was for us. We used last year leading up to our honeymoon. Any travel expense showed up as an option for redeeming "miles." You essentially get 2% back on every purchase for redemption on travel expenses. IE $1000=2000 miles which can be redeemed for $20 in travel expenses.

    You also can get more miles from purchasing through their portal and usually they have an introductory mile offer if you spend a certain amount in the first 3 months. It was also nice because they let you redeem miles on the same purchase that you earned the miles. So we bought our flights to Ireland for $1700 and we used some of our existing miles as well as the 3400 we earned from that purchase as a credit on that purchase. You can redeem towards any travel purchase from the past three months I think.

    I also really liked their customer service. I lost one of our cards in Ireland and we didn't have any international phone time, so I used their online messaging and they were great. They also didn't make it difficult when we paid it off and cancelled it a couple weeks after we got back. Just really smooth. We also got it at 0% apr for the first year and that worked super well for us since we only planned on having it for a few months.
  • The only thing to look at is how many points you need to "erase" purchases vs. transferring points directly to airlines. 

    For example, the flights we are taking over Christmas were around $1600/each in cash.  So $3200 total.  We would have needed 320,000 points if we had used the purchase erase feature of the Capitol One card to totally pay for those flights (because they are valued at one penny each), vs. 120,000 points when transferring from Chase to United directly.  In terms of your points earning rate, you get 1.5 points per dollar on the Capital One card, vs. 1 point, 2 points, or 5 points per dollar on Chase, depending on the categories.

    There's a lot more to it than which one is easier to use.  Every flight/itinerary is different, so you need to do your research and crunch the numbers to see what works out to the be the best value. 

    Now the real beauty of capital one is that any travel-related purchase qualifies for the erase feature. I would use the Capital One card to pay for things on the cruise or incidental expenses and erase your purchases later - because Chase or other cards won't necessarily cover those things.  But I wouldn't use it for airfare, because the points redemption rate on European airfare isn't nearly as good as other cards if you are flying United or one of their partners.  It might beat the pants off of Delta or whatever.  But you really have to do your research.

    The catch to the Chase or United cards is that reward flights have to be available to snag seats for so few points. Luckily for you, United has some of the best availability for reward travel.  You've just left it a bit late, so it's kind of a gamble as to whether they will still be there by the time your points deposit.
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  • One other thing... 

    H and I have a rule that if we plan a trip to Europe and run into flights that are less than $1000/person, we don't burn points on it.  We just pay cash.  Barcelona is one of the pricier gateways (on par with London, Paris, Rome, etc).  But keep watching Kayak - because sales do happen.  And clear your cookies each day before you search.

    We got our flights to Paris for less than $850/person back in December during a flash sale.  It required a short layover, but the price was so good that we just rolled with.  I had been watching prices for a long time, and virtually never saw them that low, especially not during the summer months/high season. The summer prices tended to hover around $1600/person with a layover and over $2000/person direct. We got a hell of a deal and didn't have to burn points.  By saving our points, we were able to schedule our trip to Germany/Belgium over Christmas week.  That trip to Germany/Belgium is entirely due to points - it would have been too expensive without them.

    Points tend to get devalued over time, so "earn and burn" is something you read on travel forums quite a bit, but I would still recommend figuring out your threshhold at which point you just pay cash.

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  • @hoffse's advice is very sound! We actually haven't ever used points for European airfare, since we don't spend enough to wrack up hundreds of thousands. The Capital One card works well for us because we like to redeem for smaller purchases like flights to FL and hotel rooms.

    On the issue of searching for European airfare, though I also like Kayak, I've found it omits some airlines. We got our cheap flights to Amsterdam on Aer Lingus, which I found through Travelocity. Depending on where you're flying out of, Icelandair also offers great rates to many cities. Try a few different website searches to cover your bases.
  • MrsRap720 said:
    hoffse said:
    We have Chase Sapphire and Chase Ink - the Ink card is a business card so it may not be useful for you guys, but if there is any justification for you to have one it's the biggest bang for your buck in terms of the sign up bonus.  They also have 5x point categories for a few things, including office supply stores. Any time we are making a large purchase on Amazon or Home Depot, etc. I drop by the Office Depot and get gift cards to get 5x points.  The Chase points are transferrable to multiple airlines and hotels, so we prefer it over the designated airline cards.  That said, we also fly out of Atlanta which is a Delta hub... and Delta miles are called "skypesos" by many travel boards online because they are so worthless... so we need the added flexibility the Chase cards give us.  If you are certain you will be flying United/Lufthansa for this trip (or future trips) because you tend to fly from a United hub, then the United card might work for you.

    We have booked reward flights less than a year out - we got our flights to Germany/Belgium over Christmas just a couple months ago on Lufthansa - but I would encourage you to do some searches on United's website just to check availability before you assume you'll be able to get them.  United's website will pull up options for their partner airlines too, not just United flights.  For our trip, we could see that reward seats were gone about 6 months in advance, so we were fine with an 8-month window... but Barcelona may be different.

    You'll need 60K points per flight to do the roundtrip economy fair on United or Lufthansa.

    Thanks so much for the thorough response! The Ink card unfortunately isn't an option for us since we don't have the business link. Although we do live near a United hub, I don't like the idea of being tied down to a specific airline either, which is why these two cards were the most appealing.

    Question for you on redeeming the points - how exactly did you go about booking the trip? That's the part I can't quite wrap my head around in my research. Did you transfer your points through United and then book through them, or did you do it through Chase? If you did it through Chase, did the 60K points per flight still apply?
    You transfer points from Chase to United.  First you set up an account with United, and you simply enter your United account number into Chase when you want to transfer points.  Chase will also save the account number for future transfers.  It took about 5 minutes for my points to transfer to United and appear in my United account.

    Then I just booked through United as usual.  You don't get to choose your seats when booking award travel, but United automatically assigned H and I seats next to each other for each leg.

    We booked on United's website for our flights, even though the airline we are flying is Lufthansa.

    I have also transferred points to Hyatt, and it worked exactly the same way.  Points appeared in my Hyatt account about 5 minutes after I initiated the transfer.

    You can book travel through Chase directly and choose how many points to use... but then it's just like any other cash back card where your points are worth a set amount (on Chase they are worth 1.2 cents each when booking through them), and it would have required something like 256,000 points to book through Chase vs. 120,000 points when transferring points to United.

    I know it's crazy, but that's the game.

    As a general matter I also always prefer to book through the airlines directly, rather than using some booking portal.  When you book through a credit card company, it's no different than using any other booking portal.  I have read so many horror stories about flights getting messed up when booking portals were used, that I just won't do it for a high-stakes flight.  Any flight to Europe is high-stakes for me, and since you have to catch a boat it's even more high-stakes for you.

    On that point, please make sure to land at least one day before your cruise departs.  Better yet, land a couple days early and enjoy Barcelona (and build in some serious delay time).
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  • hoffse said:
    MrsRap720 said:
    hoffse said:
    We have Chase Sapphire and Chase Ink - the Ink card is a business card so it may not be useful for you guys, but if there is any justification for you to have one it's the biggest bang for your buck in terms of the sign up bonus.  They also have 5x point categories for a few things, including office supply stores. Any time we are making a large purchase on Amazon or Home Depot, etc. I drop by the Office Depot and get gift cards to get 5x points.  The Chase points are transferrable to multiple airlines and hotels, so we prefer it over the designated airline cards.  That said, we also fly out of Atlanta which is a Delta hub... and Delta miles are called "skypesos" by many travel boards online because they are so worthless... so we need the added flexibility the Chase cards give us.  If you are certain you will be flying United/Lufthansa for this trip (or future trips) because you tend to fly from a United hub, then the United card might work for you.

    We have booked reward flights less than a year out - we got our flights to Germany/Belgium over Christmas just a couple months ago on Lufthansa - but I would encourage you to do some searches on United's website just to check availability before you assume you'll be able to get them.  United's website will pull up options for their partner airlines too, not just United flights.  For our trip, we could see that reward seats were gone about 6 months in advance, so we were fine with an 8-month window... but Barcelona may be different.

    You'll need 60K points per flight to do the roundtrip economy fair on United or Lufthansa.

    Thanks so much for the thorough response! The Ink card unfortunately isn't an option for us since we don't have the business link. Although we do live near a United hub, I don't like the idea of being tied down to a specific airline either, which is why these two cards were the most appealing.

    Question for you on redeeming the points - how exactly did you go about booking the trip? That's the part I can't quite wrap my head around in my research. Did you transfer your points through United and then book through them, or did you do it through Chase? If you did it through Chase, did the 60K points per flight still apply?
    You transfer points from Chase to United.  First you set up an account with United, and you simply enter your United account number into Chase when you want to transfer points.  Chase will also save the account number for future transfers.  It took about 5 minutes for my points to transfer to United and appear in my United account.

    Then I just booked through United as usual.  You don't get to choose your seats when booking award travel, but United automatically assigned H and I seats next to each other for each leg.

    We booked on United's website for our flights, even though the airline we are flying is Lufthansa.

    I have also transferred points to Hyatt, and it worked exactly the same way.  Points appeared in my Hyatt account about 5 minutes after I initiated the transfer.

    You can book travel through Chase directly and choose how many points to use... but then it's just like any other cash back card where your points are worth a set amount (on Chase they are worth 1.2 cents each when booking through them), and it would have required something like 256,000 points to book through Chase vs. 120,000 points when transferring points to United.

    I know it's crazy, but that's the game.

    As a general matter I also always prefer to book through the airlines directly, rather than using some booking portal.  When you book through a credit card company, it's no different than using any other booking portal.  I have read so many horror stories about flights getting messed up when booking portals were used, that I just won't do it for a high-stakes flight.  Any flight to Europe is high-stakes for me, and since you have to catch a boat it's even more high-stakes for you.

    On that point, please make sure to land at least one day before your cruise departs.  Better yet, land a couple days early and enjoy Barcelona (and build in some serious delay time).
    All this is great to know - we've never tried to redeem points for travel before, so I really appreciate the response and info. I have looked to see what the prices are for next July, and it doesn't look like they're available just yet (at least on United's website), but it seems like they will be soon, so I'll keep checking. As I said in my OP, paying full price for them ourselves is completely doable, so we'd definitely jump on a deal if there was one to be had. Even if we don't earn enough points to cover even part of a this trip, we've been averaging one big trip a year so they certainly won't go to waste if we keep accumulating and use them during a future trip. And as for the bolded, that's been our plan all along - we've heard wonderful things about the city and definitely want to have some time to enjoy it and not be worried about missing the boat (no pun intended! :)).
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    edited August 2015
    If you average one big trip per year, you might also want to look into Global Entry if you don't already have it.  If you already have it, then I guess the rest of this post is for people who might be interested, lol.  

    H and I are about to apply for it, because this last flight had us land in Charlotte - so we had to clear border control, clear customs, and then clear TSA for our connecting flight to Atlanta.  We made it, but we had to sprint.  We were at the front of the line too - people behind us missed their flights, and if we had checked bags we would have missed our connection. 

    So we were the people sprinting through the airport.  The Global Entry guy, on the other hand, just waltzed up to the kiosks and got scanned through while the rest of us were explaining to border control why we had left the country.  He lapped us.

    The application fee is $100, but if you are approved it's good for 5 years and you get TSA pre-check also.  We have started flying enough that it's worth $20/year for that convenience to us. 


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  • hoffse said:
    If you average one big trip per year, you might also want to look into Global Entry if you don't already have it.  If you already have it, then I guess the rest of this post is for people who might be interested, lol.  

    H and I are about to apply for it, because this last flight had us land in Charlotte - so we had to clear border control, clear customs, and then clear TSA for our connecting flight to Atlanta.  We made it, but we had to sprint.  We were at the front of the line too - people behind us missed their flights, and if we had checked bags we would have missed our connection. 

    So we were the people sprinting through the airport.  The Global Entry guy, on the other hand, just waltzed up to the kiosks and got scanned through while the rest of us were explaining to border control why we had left the country.  He lapped us.

    The application fee is $100, but if you are approved it's good for 5 years and you get TSA pre-check also.  We have started flying enough that it's worth $20/year for that convenience to us. 


    We've been meaning to do this for some time.  We always seem to remember when we're at the airport or just a few week before our trip.  I'll have to check it out tonight - our flight to Paris is in a month and I'd love to have it before then but not sure if that's possible.  I thought I remember there was an interview you had to go to in person.
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