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Sick of hearing about layoffs! Wwyd?

So background you need just in case you don't automatically remember everything I've shared in the past ;) I'm a stay at home mom (former teacher, still certified) dh works as a mechanical engineer for an oil services company. They just had layoffs again yesterday, and are reported to be doing another round at the end of the month if they don't get a big project between now and then. Dh has been there almost 6 years, not that that means anything anymore. So I feel like we have been living under the shadow of a possible layoff for over a year now. And as a result we have been hoarding $. We have been saving for things and never doing them because what if. Looking at our efund (24k officially earmarked with a lot extra in the bank we could use) we have 2 years approximately of our expenses. This is obviously bare bones, food, gas, bills but because we paid off our mortgage it stretches a lot farther now. And that isn't figuring unemployment for dh or me getting a job substitute teaching or working anywhere else. So basically, how do you find a happy medium while having this constantly in the back of your mind? Most of the things we are wanting to do aren't super expensive (summer vacation, solar film for our windows, and a screen for our media room. The last 2 are under 2k each and we have already earmarked mo dh for that). I feel like I don't want to look back and regret these purchases because we need the $ in a year or two. Any insight is appreciated. Thanks guys!
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Re: Sick of hearing about layoffs! Wwyd?

  • jessica490jessica490 member
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    Eek, I'm sorry you have to deal with this...It sounds to me like you have plenty of money in the bank in case something happens, but I would take the projects and vacations a little at a time...Get, them done, pay them off and move onto the next. If you feel you need to save a little money in between the projects then do that as well. Just hope for the best. Make sure you husband's resume is updated and maybe just keep an eye out for other positions in his field ( I know the oil industry is hurting right now...)

    We are going through the same thing and I am doing all of the above. My company has been talking about layoffs since last year and we have heard it will be done around March-May so we have been socking away money as well. As for projects, we take them one at a time. We are skipping our normal vacation in May just because of the new house projects we would like to get done so we have nothing until a Sept wedding in Cape Cod.

  • I really try to avoid overthinking things like this.  All you can do is prepare for them, be comfortable that you are prepared, and then live your life.

    If you feel that you have a good, solid e-fund (2 years sounds pretty good to me) then you really need to allow yourselves to stop hoarding and be comfortable with what you have.  You can't see in to the future.  Don't give up living your life now because of something that may or may not happen that you have already prepared for. 

  • That's a tough one!  I'm actually a little bit in your same boat.  They've had layoffs 3 times over the last 18 months.  That's just on my specific project.  The company, as a whole, has had much more than that.  And, oh yes, much of it is related to the pullback in the oil and gas industry (though not for the project I am on).

    Although I try not to think about it, it's entirely possible the big boss could call me into his office at any time and tell me I've been laid off.

    I generally keep my bills to a minimum anyway, so have to admit I haven't let the thought of a layoff really affect how I'm spending.  Either for necessities or luxuries.  For example, despite all that, I'm still planning my big trip to Europe this year.

    Although I don't have much of an e-fund, unlike you all, I do have alternate sources of income that would be enough to pay my basic bills.  That is part of the reason I haven't looked for another job (because I really like this one) and haven't been too freaked about cutting things to the bare bone.

    I'm more inclined to say "go for it" with your purchases, considering how far your all's e-fund will take you, in the event of a layoff.

    But, let me ask you this first.  If your H is laid off, how hard will it be for him to find another job?  Would you all possibly have to relocate?  Could you easily make a fairly regular income subbing during the school year?  Or would it be occasional, hit or miss?

  • So a lot of our friends are in the same industry and are experiencing layoffs and/or the threat of one.  One was a manager of some sort, and the rest are petroleum engineers.  Most are getting some pretty hefty severance packages though, so it's not like they're going from 100 to 0 in one day.  

    I haven't experienced much in terms of layoffs as I've always found a new job quickly, but I would say anything that would be good experiences for you and your family is worth spending the money on.  So, like, the summer vacation would be on of those.  More non-necessary items like the solar film and the screen for your media room could probably wait.  I don't think you'd regret having a good family trip somewhere making memories with your kids, but I could see regretting something like a movie screen. 

    For example, this weekend we went to an outdoor NHL game.  Some friends of ours came, they paid for their tickets last fall before the threat of layoffs was as big as it is now.  He's still employed but it's a similar situation to your DH's... the threat always looming over them.  She expressed she felt some guilt by still going to the game, when they could have sold the tickets.  But after the weekend was over she said she was glad they came, as it was an amazing experience that they'll remember forever.  
  • this is so tricky! I think if you really have 2 years of expenses (albiet bare bones), that is amazing insurance. don't go too crazy, but it's time to enjoy some of your money (assuming things like retirement contributions etc. are in as good of shape as your e-fund). keep both your resumes in tip-top shape and sit down once a week and look at what's out there for other jobs and apply for anything interesting, but unless something actually happens with your H's job don't stress about it too much. 
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  • That's a tough one!  I'm actually a little bit in your same boat.  They've had layoffs 3 times over the last 18 months.  That's just on my specific project.  The company, as a whole, has had much more than that.  And, oh yes, much of it is related to the pullback in the oil and gas industry (though not for the project I am on).

    Although I try not to think about it, it's entirely possible the big boss could call me into his office at any time and tell me I've been laid off.

    I generally keep my bills to a minimum anyway, so have to admit I haven't let the thought of a layoff really affect how I'm spending.  Either for necessities or luxuries.  For example, despite all that, I'm still planning my big trip to Europe this year.

    Although I don't have much of an e-fund, unlike you all, I do have alternate sources of income that would be enough to pay my basic bills.  That is part of the reason I haven't looked for another job (because I really like this one) and haven't been too freaked about cutting things to the bare bone.

    I'm more inclined to say "go for it" with your purchases, considering how far your all's e-fund will take you, in the event of a layoff.

    But, let me ask you this first.  If your H is laid off, how hard will it be for him to find another job?  Would you all possibly have to relocate?  Could you easily make a fairly regular income subbing during the school year?  Or would it be occasional, hit or miss?


    finding a new job would be hit or miss right now. A lot of companies are laying off and then rehiring/posting jobs as they get projects so he could always apply and hope to get interviewed. He doesn't have to stay in the industry though if he gets laid off, he can find something else with his degree just probably not making as much. If we relocated it would be temporary. Houston is huge for oil and gas so in sure we would end up back here eventually. And I could easily sub every day if I needed to. My sister is a teacher in a small nearby school district, and although they don't pay the best I could have a job there like tomorrow. Then as bigger districts have their sub blitzes (usually just once a spring and fall semester) I could get hired on there and get a little better pay. And for a certified teacher subbing is about $90/day so enough to pay the bills even if I don't get every day. Last time I substituted I was day to day (and only missed a couple) for like 2 months then I got a long term subbing job for the rest of the year. So that helps me from freaking out too much.
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  • I really try to avoid overthinking things like this.  All you can do is prepare for them, be comfortable that you are prepared, and then live your life.

    If you feel that you have a good, solid e-fund (2 years sounds pretty good to me) then you really need to allow yourselves to stop hoarding and be comfortable with what you have.  You can't see in to the future.  Don't give up living your life now because of something that may or may not happen that you have already prepared for. 


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  • I would look at it this way.  If he lost his job, would you move?  If so, I'd put any home improvement projects on the back burner, but do keep up on any maintenance issues.  I'd go ahead and take any trips you had planned as long as they're not super expensive and being maybe a little more sensitive to when you're gone.

    We just went through a re-bid on our contract followed by a 4 month protest.  We put a hold on a lot of projects since if the contract was lost we'd be moving and there was no point in investing more into something we were planning to sell.

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  • That's a tough one!  I'm actually a little bit in your same boat.  They've had layoffs 3 times over the last 18 months.  That's just on my specific project.  The company, as a whole, has had much more than that.  And, oh yes, much of it is related to the pullback in the oil and gas industry (though not for the project I am on).

    Although I try not to think about it, it's entirely possible the big boss could call me into his office at any time and tell me I've been laid off.

    I generally keep my bills to a minimum anyway, so have to admit I haven't let the thought of a layoff really affect how I'm spending.  Either for necessities or luxuries.  For example, despite all that, I'm still planning my big trip to Europe this year.

    Although I don't have much of an e-fund, unlike you all, I do have alternate sources of income that would be enough to pay my basic bills.  That is part of the reason I haven't looked for another job (because I really like this one) and haven't been too freaked about cutting things to the bare bone.

    I'm more inclined to say "go for it" with your purchases, considering how far your all's e-fund will take you, in the event of a layoff.

    But, let me ask you this first.  If your H is laid off, how hard will it be for him to find another job?  Would you all possibly have to relocate?  Could you easily make a fairly regular income subbing during the school year?  Or would it be occasional, hit or miss?


    finding a new job would be hit or miss right now. A lot of companies are laying off and then rehiring/posting jobs as they get projects so he could always apply and hope to get interviewed. He doesn't have to stay in the industry though if he gets laid off, he can find something else with his degree just probably not making as much. If we relocated it would be temporary. Houston is huge for oil and gas so in sure we would end up back here eventually. And I could easily sub every day if I needed to. My sister is a teacher in a small nearby school district, and although they don't pay the best I could have a job there like tomorrow. Then as bigger districts have their sub blitzes (usually just once a spring and fall semester) I could get hired on there and get a little better pay. And for a certified teacher subbing is about $90/day so enough to pay the bills even if I don't get every day. Last time I substituted I was day to day (and only missed a couple) for like 2 months then I got a long term subbing job for the rest of the year. So that helps me from freaking out too much.

    That's great to hear!  I mean, obviously more money in his current job and your not having to work is the best situation.  But it sounds like, even in a worst case scenario, you all still have a lot of options for paying the bills and working towards your financial goals, even without touching your e-fund.

    I agree with @dragonstarjk.  You all have done a great job preparing for a potential layoff and are still in a decent position, job-wise, if a layoff happens.  I

  • @jtmh2012 we would do our best to not move. Other than high property taxes, we absolutely love e our house and neighborhood. Even if he ended up getting relocated, we would try to keep it as a furnished rental temporarily or the kids and j would stay until he came home again with a job locally. (Very short term obviously!)
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  • Since you have subbing in your back pocket and a 2-year e-fund, I would enjoy the money a little bit.  I agree that you guys need to be judicious about it, but oil and gas is going to come back, and it sounds like you guys have enough stashed away to get you through those lean times until that happens, whether you sub or not.

    At this point I would just cap the e-fund and know it's there if you need it.  Future earnings can go toward those smaller projects or a vacation.  Enjoy what you do have right now, within reason.  PP is right that there is no crystal ball for these kind of things, and the best you can do is prepare and then move on.  You guys have done plenty to prepare.  Now it's time to turn to other things until that time comes (if it ever does).  Don't make yourself sick with worry about it.  If it happens, you guys will be able to handle it, and you will have an instant source of income through subbing.  If it doesn't happen, then you can continue to enjoy your H's income while waiting for oil and gas to boom again.
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  • I mean really, S#!t can always hit the fan, you have to prepare for it and then relax knowing you have a plan in place. Here I am now planning career moves that 6 months ago I would have never thought about (and probably laughed at the idea of relocation because I really had a good thing going at my job). But my company decided to restructure, and we're having to deal with it; we don't have the kind of e-fund you have, and we're fortunate that I won't be loosing my job (I'll have to start-over with benefits and my salary after restructuring is unclear). Had I known that this was a possibility we would not have put all the work into our house that we did in the past year, but if they weren't restructuring or if my job wasn't impacted I'd safely say we planned to stay in the area for another 5+ years, maybe even forever. 

    not the case, so we make new plans, switch gears, and make the best of it. I think you guys are more than prepared to deal with a job loss if it happens. you have your emergency plan in place, now set it aside and know that if a layoff happens you know exactly how to deal with it. 
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  • I mean really, S#!t can always hit the fan, you have to prepare for it and then relax knowing you have a plan in place. Here I am now planning career moves that 6 months ago I would have never thought about (and probably laughed at the idea of relocation because I really had a good thing going at my job). But my company decided to restructure, and we're having to deal with it; we don't have the kind of e-fund you have, and we're fortunate that I won't be loosing my job (I'll have to start-over with benefits and my salary after restructuring is unclear). Had I known that this was a possibility we would not have put all the work into our house that we did in the past year, but if they weren't restructuring or if my job wasn't impacted I'd safely say we planned to stay in the area for another 5+ years, maybe even forever. 

    not the case, so we make new plans, switch gears, and make the best of it. I think you guys are more than prepared to deal with a job loss if it happens. you have your emergency plan in place, now set it aside and know that if a layoff happens you know exactly how to deal with it. 
    This!  My company does layoffs every couple of years.  It's always been unnerving, stressful and worrisome.  It's only within the past couple of years that I stopped worrying about it.  And that's because we have a nice emergency fund and we bought a house we could afford on one income.  

    You sound very well prepared with a healthy emergency savings.  Go enjoy life.  :)
  • edited March 2016

    Don't live your life built on worry. It is a dead end. Live your life realistically, which you have done by recognizing the possibility of a problem (lay-off) and by preparing your family for a hardship. Beyond that worry is a dark cloud.

    Even if lay-offs weren't in the possibility of problems, problems in general just always lurk around and you could face another issue anyways. Any of us could. But, we cannot live there.

    So have some responsible fun! Enjoy yourselves and make some memories.

    ETA: If it makes you feel better, have DH be sure his resume is up-to-date and check out what kind of jobs are opening up right now in your area. It would be like getting your toes wet for a job search, but not actually doing one. It could also provide some peace of mind.

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