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Baseball comm considering lifting Pete Rose's ban
I'm watching ESPN 2 and they're talking about this. Should he be let in? I really think not. As far as I'm concerned, he shouldn't be. He cheated. Similarly, I think anyone on the Mitchell report list shouldn't be allowed in either.
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I hate this argument. Shoeless Joe was not banned from the Hall of Fame because he was banned from baseball. The rule stating that in order to be in the HOF you cannot be banned from baseball was not passed until the late 1980's or early 1990's, (I am forgetting the exact year). It was passed specifically because of Rose. If Shoeless Joe was good enough to be in the HOF, he could have been voted in at any time prior to the non-induction rule being put into place. He just wasn't.
Pete is one of the best players ever to play the game. I think that it cheapens the institution to exclude him. I'm more bothered by record holders who used steroids when they achieved their records being voted in than Pete. At least his record is accurate and his own.
I have to take issue with this as well. He didn't cheat. He gambled. There is a big difference.
Taking steroids to give yourself an advantage=cheating
Betting on the team you manage to win=against the rules but does not give your team an unfair advantage. If you are betting on them to lose that is a different story but Pete never did. That is how he justifies everything in his mind.
Additionally, the gambling happened when he managed, not when he played. Why should something that happened after his Hall of Fame worthy career had already ended effect that career?
How do you know that it didn't start when he was playing? How do you know that he didn't deliberately throw games when he was playing because he bet against his own team? You don't. Nor do you really know that he didn't bet against, or throw games, when he was managing either. He was in a position to say to one player, "Hey, do me a favor. Miss a catch late in the game and I'll make it worth your while."
I'm not saying he did that but I can't say he didn't do it either. Because I don't know for sure. He already lied once about betting on his team. Do you really think he won't lie about anything else?
No one who has investigated has ever accused him of doing so. Basically, the only thing there is any proof or even insinuation of is that he bet while managing. Have you read the report?
Along this line of thinking, how do I know you didn't kill someone this morning? I don't for sure, but since I have no proof I'm not going to sit here and accuse you of anything.
In the interest of full disclosure, I don't think he should be let back into baseball. He knew the cardinal rule and he broke it. He knew the consequences of breaking the rule would be getting banned from the sport. He should have to live with the consequences.
However, the consequences at the time he broke the rule did not involve being banned from the Hall of Fame. You can't make up new punishments after the fact.
In a nutshell, I think that the HOF needs to change the rule and he should be allowed in the HOF but not baseball.
But in the interest of further disclosure, if he ever is let back into baseball I'll be in the sell-out crowd at Great American to welcome him back and watch them formally retire his number.
Pete Rose didn't bet on baseball until he became a manager, so why doesn't the Hall of Fame let him in as a player?!
If they are going to let all of these players in when they played during the steroid era once steroids were banned, when the players retire, then they have to let Pete Rose in.