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What is it with gay marriage being overturned?
I saw on the news this morning that voters overturned the right to gay marriage in Maine with yesterday's elections. I googled to see if any states still allowed it, but couldn't find a current map. (It showed Maine, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Vermont allowed gay marriage.)
What I don't get is that this issue had to be passed initially, right? So how is it that one election can approve it... only to be such a dramatically opposite turnout with the next election?
Re: What is it with gay marriage being overturned?
it's sad, it really is that people who want to be married can't because some tight ass, Bible thumping, brain washed indivuduals think they have a right to decide who can love who.
totally agree.
Gay marriage is legal in MA
This. Except you said it much nice than I was going to.
.: Diary of a Recovering Runner :.
It is kinda ridiculous that things can be approved and then overturned all the time. I however do not believe in gay marriage. If someone is gay that's fine but I don't think they should be able to marry. Just my opinion.
::runs to hide from the flames about to be thrown my way::
ITA. IMO, in the scheme of life, whether it's immoral for someone to marry someone else because of their gender is so not something we should care about.
I realize people will give you the argument that if you don't restrict who can marry, relatives could be allowed to reproduce, but that's different. Inbreeding can lead to all sorts of medical issues to consider. Just because two people have the same plumbing? Yeah.. not a medical concern, and again IMO, let them have marriage. It a) can't hurt the divorce rate since we heterosexuals have effed that up pretty well, b) can never be said that we have too much love in this world, and c) doesn't directly affect anyone voting against it. So you don't believe it's right. Fine, teach THAT to your kids just like you would anything else. But don't reach into someone's living room (someone you don't know and will never interact with) to take something precious away from them!
.: Diary of a Recovering Runner :.
ha...that made me lol.
I don't believe in gay marriage either but I do have gay friends and I love them. And they know that I wouldn't support the thought of them getting married (plus they wouldn't get married because these guys are the least faithful men I've ever met in my life). I think it's all in how I was raised.
Nope I have no intentions of ever doing that!
This is how I feel.
Ah, ok. I was taught that you grow up, fall in love with "someone" and get married, but "someone" was never defined. I also got away from the Church early on, so I don't have the religious influence.
Funny how just a couple of words when you're growing up can make such a huge difference.
I also have a couple of gay friends that wouldn't get married b/c they're always swapping boyfriends but I have a couple who've been together longer than I can even remember.
.: Diary of a Recovering Runner :.
Exactly. To me, it's an equal rights issue.
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I have friends and relatives who are gay and i support them in getting married if they are ever able to. I feel similar to Joanna, a lot of medical decisions cannot be made by their partner or recognized and thats a large part of being committed to someone other then the obvious reasons. I think everyones entitled to their own opinion.
My stepdads family is very religious and were raised in the south and they refuse to even consider the idea and are completely blind to the fact that one of their own family members is gay and i feel so sad for her because she cant even be who she is or feel comfortable except for a few of us that do know.
ITA. And you said it much nicer than I would've been able to. I'm not trying to flame either and I don't really expect anyone to change their mind either way.
Marriage is a contract. The touchy-feely or religious parts of it aren't necessary for it to be a marriage. LOL Homosexuals can achieve that intangible touchy-feeling giddiness by having a commitment ceremony, but a committment ceremony does not offer them the rights of the contract of marriage. It's heart breaking to think that a couple who's been together for their entire lives wouldn't be able to be together as one of them lay dying in the hospital due to such a ridiculous reason as "They're not married."
I also like the comment about how it's comparable to saying different races can't marry. Spot on.
And even the mention of Melanie's "little talk" is frightening to me. LOL I think I shuddered in fear at just the thought of it!
I've never thought of marriage as a contract. I know I had to get a marriage license but I've always thought of that as record keeping (and a way for localities to make money). The thought of marriage being a contract makes it sound like we are pieces of property to me!
Yes, it would.
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I've never heard of this happening. Not saying it hasn't ever happened that a hospital hasn't allowed gay couples to be together, but I've never heard of any actual instances of it. Do you know of any? I'm really curious.
I think a medical power of attorney would fix that problem.
This is just one example I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many other restrictions.
Graves, go through a divorce sometime. You'll see just how much of a contract marriage is. LOL It's a *** to get out of! (Okay, so I didn't mean you personally go through a divorce. But when you're standing there in front of the judge or Family Court Commissioner and the marriage you had is torn to pieces around you... you definitely realize the non-contract parts of marriage are extras.)
Mandy, I'm surprised you haven't heard instances of the partner being shut out. Not everyone has a Power of Attorney though... if you're a healthy couple, people don't often think of this. You've been through extraordinary circumstances, so I can see why you'd have this.
Here's what Google brought up where homosexual partner rights were challenged: http://lgbtqnews.com/gaynews/Lesbian-partner-denied-visitation-by-hospital-loses-lawsuit-but-battles-on.aspx
http://www.lambdalegal.org/news/pr/gay-partner-of-man-who-died.html
http://www.tampabaycoalition.com/Lois2.html
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/gay-congressman-husband-denied-death-benefits.html (This Congressman was actually married, but they were not treated like any other married couple because it was a same-sex marriage.)
Or Elton John and his long-time lifelong partner possibly not able to be able to adopt an HIV-positive child because they're GAY. Without a loving couple like EJ and his partner, that child likely won't have anyone loving care for him.
I don't have time to read through all your links just yet but I will later.
I think that maybe I haven't heard of it because all of my gay friends actually have the medical PoAs (they are all young and healthy but with the news and how they say that gay couples need the extra protections, they've all gotten them done).
I think everyone (straight or gay; healthy or not) needs to have a PoA. Think of it this way - if something happend to you AND to your husband and you two weren't able to make decisions for one another it would go to your respective parents. Would you (not picking on Paula - I mean any of you) want to leave that decision in the hands of your mom or dad (or whoever your next closest relative is)? I would never want my mom making those decisions but would be fine with my dad making them but without that paper saying he makes them, it will go to both.