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Tiger Woods Incident
What are your thoughts on this? You think his wife was to blame for the accident, or it was just a random thing?
Initially I thought it was just a random freak accident, or alcohol related but then I heard about the infidelity rumors. I'm not sure if I believe that she attacked him with a golf club, but crazier things have happened, I do find it odd that she "busted out" the back window of their SUV to get him out though
Re: Tiger Woods Incident
I feel bad for Tiger. Just because he is a private person everyone seems so entralled by this.
I do think that she was responsible for the accident. I think the pursuit of the incident by the authorities is more because they have to show face and prove that they don't let celebrities slide. I think a new scandal needs to happen so everyone forgets about this and leaves them alone again.
Yeah, cause guys frequently slam into trees and fire hydrants when leaving their house at 2:30 am for legit reasons . . . .
It's a regular occurrence in this household.
That's not what I'm talking about the wreck. I'm talking about the all too frequent, "why isn't he talking to the police? He must be hiding something" statements that have been coming out since Thursday. Refusing to talk to the police =/= hiding something and I'm troubled that the vast majority of people seem to think that it does.
No, I agree. I certainly the media is making too much out of the fact that TW is exercising a legal right.
I am confused. Woods admitted to being the one behind the wheel. he was taken to the hospital, where blood would have been taken and they would know his BAC. A blood test from the hospital is admissible in court. If alcohol were involved everyone would know.
In FL, you still have to have a wheel witness to make it a strong enough case to hold up in court.
ETA: They can still get the blood work, but they would have to get a warrant b/c of HIPPA laws.
According to the rules of evidence, his admission that he was driving is admissible in court. A secondary witness to place someone behind the wheel is kind of a non-issue when the person driving has admitted that they were the one behind the wheel.
The reason they can only charge him with careless driving and destruction of county property has nothing to do with not being able to prove that he was driving but rather that those are the only two offenses they have evidence of actually occurring. If they couldn't prove that he was the one driving they wouldn't be able to charge him with either of these.
The reason I'm confused is why you were bringing up DUI. The tests have indicated that alcohol was not involved. They can't charge him with a DUI because they have no evidence that his BAC was over the legal limit.
If they had probable cause to believe that he was drunk at the scene, no warrant for his blood would have been necessary under the federal Constitution, especially since he was at the hospital. But really, getting a warrant is not a big deal. If they had any reason to believe that he was drunk at the scene they can get one very easily. However, since the police department has said that alcohol was not involved, I am assuming that they know what his BAC was.
I only brought up DUI b/c that is what people keep alleging. I was specifically addressing what the requirements were for charging someone with DUI (wheel witness, BAC, etc). You are correct though, the only thing he can be charge with is destruction of property and failure to maintain control of his vehicle. The same thing anyone else would be charged with for the same incident.
FWIW I think the media is making this into more than what it needs to be.
Well, when it's being reported that the broken glass from his Escalade was in a different location from where it ended up, yeah I think it's more than a traffic issue. It's a domestic dispute. His wife clearly smashed up his windows before he drove away and hit those things.
Sure, it's not the public's business what happened, but the police have every right to look into this.
I also find this part odd and do not understand it.
I saw on people.com reported that he is not being charged with anything, just a ticket, and no domestic violence claims were made
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20323584,00.html
Katie Talks About...
It is rarely in anyone's best interest to cooperate with the police. They do not have your best interest at heart. Anything you say can only hurt you and never help you. I would personally never talk to the police. I have the Constitutional right not to, and I would always exercise that right. If they need me to be a witness for something they can subpoena me to appear in court but I won't be speaking to them before hand.
No one should be 100% suspect for exercising a right that our founding fathers deemed so important to give them.
LOL WOW. Paranoid much? You would not speak to police unless they had a subpoena? I'm sorry but that is totally suspicious. Sure everyone has the right not to speak to police, but I fail to see how that helps an innocent person who is a suspect of an investigation (nor how it helps someone who is in no way a suspect of an investigation, yet has much needed information to help with a case).
No, I wouldn't speak to police ever. I would testify in court, which is what a subpoena is for. I'm not being paranoid, I'm being realistic. How does it help an innocent person not to speak to the police? You don't see how talking to police could harm an innocent person? Do you have any idea how many innocent people confess crimes to police? How many innocent people say something incriminating that is later used against them? The vast majority of people who have been cleared in the last five years alone by DNA evidence were only convicted in the first place because of something they said or are claimed to have said to the police.
If you are speaking to a police officer, your words cannot help you. They can only harm you. Anything you say that is bad can be brought as evidence at trial. Anything you say that is good is hearsay and inadmissible. In a situation where you cannot be helped and can really only be harmed, why talk to them? It's far better for you to let your attorney settle it later. For the record, i never felt like this before taking Criminal Procedure and Evidence.
ETA: Actually, this pretty much sums up how I feel on the subject and why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
I do believe that this guy may speak as fast as I do haha.
Spoken like a true lawyer.
Bottom line for me is, something happened that nobody's business but theirs. He just happens to be a super famous golfer with a super quiet private life...and now that the media's found some sort of hole into his private life, they're digging into it as far as they can. It sucks, because it's obvious he tries so hard to keep things to himself.
I really hope this thing goes away now that it's not being pursued for criminal charges. It would suck for ANY family to be under that much scrutiny over something that doesn't involve the outside world.
Right. Spoken like someone who actually understands her rights, and the potential (likely) consequences of not using said rights.
There are several people in this thread that epitomize the very reason judges have to instruct juries when a defendant chooses to exercise his Fifth Amendment right in court...it does NOT mean the defendant is guilty!
Looks like this story is taking an interesting turn today:
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/091202-tiger-woods-text-messages
http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/733467--tiger-s-woes-call-allegedly-backs-waitress-story
When this story broke, I told DH that I bet he cheated on his wife, his wife found out, they got in a fight, and Tiger stormed off in his car and crashed it. Wonder if I'll be right in the end. I also wonder if he ever will speak up - especially since he could lose endorsements. However, either way, I don't think he'll talk about it since he's such a private guy - which I give him kudos for!
I don't buy that; here's why:
For one thing - I saw pics of the car on TV and the doors looked undamaged to me. But more importantly, a victim of a car crash - major or minor - is absolutely not to be moved until paramedics arrive (unless the car is on fire or CPR is necessary) because doing so could cause irreversable spinal cord damage. Unless Elin is an idiot (which I doubt) she called 911 first, and I'm sure she was told not to move Tiger.
She didn't call 911, the neighbor did.