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rather ranty--being anti-pigeon holing =/= anti child

So I told boss, she was surprised.  But the Mr. pointed out that them knowing I"m KU is better than them thinking I have a drinking problem.

But, boss more or less said she thought I'd decided against kids.

WHy?  Because I have been, when asked my opinion, openly hostile toward things we do here that treat women as a synonym for 'mom'.

When we had a women in science lecture, I got hostile when it turned into 'how to teach your kids science'--there's a place for teaching your kids science--that's a topic I"m passionate and excited about.  But this wasn't the place for it; focusing on scientist is mom is detrimental to the core message we were working with, that women do exciting things in science, regardless of race, reproductive choice, backgrond, etc.

And when I was asked to proofread crap on environment and science, I got a bit heavy with the red ink when it got all guya earth-mother about how we borrow the earth from our kids...becaue that argument always strikes me as dumb--YOu'll get much farther saying how wasteful, poor stewardship, etc this is than making it into t a Mrs. Lovejoy "all about the chiiiiiildren' thing.

Why does me thinking that women are more than incubators = me obviously choosing not to have kids?

I mean, I know I work w/ peole stuck in the 50s (really.  Boss will go off on kids for necking in the hallway) but that assumption annoyed me. (especially sinc, Hi, I work in education.  I could make more $ doing 'real' science somewhere...but I love working w/ kids.  I do want to murder them on a semi-regular basis but, I'm here because I WANT to be.)

Re: rather ranty--being anti-pigeon holing =/= anti child

  • i'm sorry if you are upset, but i openly laughed at anti-mother earth = no kids.  that is an awesome leap.

     

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  • Ugh!  I hear you.  When I told Boss last year, he said he was shocked and thought that I had other interests.  People say (and think) stupid things sometimes. 

    Totally agree on women =/= mom. 

  • nah, it's funny.

    And I know boss doesn't mean any harm.

    I just get soapboxy on the subject (when asked--all of the things people know re: this and work?  they asked for my opinon because I was a part of the committee/proofreader/whatever) and apparently they think my soapbox doesn't have room for a baby :-P

  • Your boss sounds...I don't know how he sounds. Completely illogical and more than a little sexist I guess are a good start. I'm considering going as far as mildly dense or unintelligent.
  • If I say boss is a mathematician, will that just explain all of it?

    cuz that's what her masters is in...she's brilliant w/ theoretical math and the computer stuff boss can do makes my head SPIN.  The relational databases boss made that I work on are astounding.

    ANd then boss taught Jr. High for like 4000 years.  And did other things too.  And is a very very odd duck.  I won't exactly disagree w/ referring to boss as racist/sexist/dificult/moody/inept.

  • Yeah, unintelligent really didn't seem like the right word, she rather sounds like someone who's book smart but lacks social understanding? (Maybe she has Aspergers!!)

    I guess she sounds like one of those people for whom everything is black and white. If you think A, you also think B and you do not think Y or Z while if you think Z, you also think Y but not A or B.

  • you just described EVERY mathematician I work with...

    except maybe 1.  ANd he's an anomoly.

  • a mathematical anomaly!
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  • imageGBCK:

    you just described EVERY mathematician I work with...

    except maybe 1.  ANd he's an anomoly.

    It's funny, because math is such a complex subject, yet the social assumptions are so simplistic. I guess too much of their brain is taken up by formulas.

  • well, it's complex but it's always logical...x leads to y leads to z.  And, until you get high level and theoretical, it's also very black and white.

    I think that draws a certain personality to it--someone who sees the world often pretty black and white and who also tries to force the world (and the people in it) into wee logical, pigeonholed patterns.

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