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Lurker with a ?

I've been researching a place to buy some (local) organic & grass fed beef. I've found one place & wanted to see what you guys thought. i.e. would you order from here? It sounds very nice except this one thing from their FAQ section

Q. Are you certified organic? No, we are in 'transition' - meaning we no longer use herbicides for weed or insect control but we are still using a small amount of inorganic fertilizer. As our improved soil biology increases, we will also stop that practice. However, all other cultural practices on the farm are moving toward the organic standard, with one exception. We will not feed any corn to our animals nor will we place them in a feedlot to finish.

I don't one this one point to discourage me & I'm not sure if this is even a big deal? I'm totally new to this eat local, organic, grass fed thing & I'm not sure if inorganic fertilizer is a big no no?

http://www.rossfarm.com/index.html 

that is their website if you are interested.

Re: Lurker with a ?

  • Properly applied inorganic fertilizer wouldn't bother me at all. It sounds like they are using what they need to to keep their land productive at this point. Going organic is hugely difficult (and expensive) in many locations/situations.
  • No, that wouldn't put me off at all! I'm impressed with what they do, and their openness. Certified organic isn't actually as important to me as supporting people who are doing their best to farm/ranch sustainably and ethically, and supporting local economies. To me the latter are the most important. Organic certification is expensive and takes time. What I look at is what kind of business is this? How are the animals treated? Is this the kind of company I want to support?

    Anyhow, yes, your place looks great, and I think its wonderful you are looking to buy more ethical meat! Tastes better too!

     

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    No, that wouldn't put me off at all! I'm impressed with what they do, and their openness. Certified organic isn't actually as important to me as supporting people who are doing their best to farm/ranch sustainably and ethically, and supporting local economies. To me the latter are the most important. Organic certification is expensive and takes time. What I look at is what kind of business is this? How are the animals treated? Is this the kind of company I want to support?

    Anyhow, yes, your place looks great, and I think its wonderful you are looking to buy more ethical meat! Tastes better too!

     

    Whew! Thank goodness..finding "real" food is a daunting task!

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    No, that wouldn't put me off at all! I'm impressed with what they do, and their openness. Certified organic isn't actually as important to me as supporting people who are doing their best to farm/ranch sustainably and ethically, and supporting local economies. To me the latter are the most important. Organic certification is expensive and takes time. What I look at is what kind of business is this? How are the animals treated? Is this the kind of company I want to support?

    Thank you Alisha. This.

    My family and I run a farm- part of our business is a PYO and retail apple orchard and blueberries. We cannot be considered "organic" because we use a non-organic fertilizer in the soil- however, we are a local farm/family and we do not SPRAY our berries. People come back to us year after year for this.

    Our apples are not organic, but we use an IPM program to spray- it's as ethical and environmentally sensitive as you can get without being a no-spray, organic orchard. Again, people come back to our farm because we try to be as environmentally conscious as we can while maximizing our profits and quality.

     I cannot agree with Alisha more when she says "certified organic isn't actually as important to me as supporting people who are doing their best to farm/ranch sustainbly and ethically"- Attitudes like this help keep my family's farm in business!

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    imageAlisha_A:

    No, that wouldn't put me off at all! I'm impressed with what they do, and their openness. Certified organic isn't actually as important to me as supporting people who are doing their best to farm/ranch sustainably and ethically, and supporting local economies. To me the latter are the most important. Organic certification is expensive and takes time. What I look at is what kind of business is this? How are the animals treated? Is this the kind of company I want to support?

    Thank you Alisha. This.

    My family and I run a farm- part of our business is a PYO and retail apple orchard and blueberries. We cannot be considered "organic" because we use a non-organic fertilizer in the soil- however, we are a local farm/family and we do not SPRAY our berries. People come back to us year after year for this.

    Our apples are not organic, but we use an IPM program to spray- it's as ethical and environmentally sensitive as you can get without being a no-spray, organic orchard. Again, people come back to our farm because we try to be as environmentally conscious as we can while maximizing our profits and quality.

     I cannot agree with Alisha more when she says "certified organic isn't actually as important to me as supporting people who are doing their best to farm/ranch sustainbly and ethically"- Attitudes like this help keep my family's farm in business!

    That is so cool, and I'm so glad you're posting here! This is a perfect example of what I mean. You're not the kind of business polluting our earth and contaminating our foods. We didn't really 'need' organic certification back when real people made and grew our food, not heartless, conscienceless profit-at-all-costs corporations (most of whom also make and profit off the very chemicals they douse everything with). And then on the other hand, you have certified organic companies like Horizon that manage to meet the standards (or rather not be proven to defy them), but their products don't really meet the standards for which I choose to buy organic. If I wanted to support cattle crammed into lots, I wouldn't be buying organic!

    The key is to know who and what you are supporting and to ask questions!

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  • Yes

    My dad has been farming our land for 30 years- he loves the earth and does everything in his power to respect the land, treat it sensitively and consciously- but when he needs to spray or apply a pesticide (mostly for prevention), he does it- as consciously and sparingly as he can. I can't say it enough- support your local farmers who care about their land but are also trying to make a good, well intentioned living.

    :::steps down off my mini soapbox:::

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