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religon / alcohol
i don't get the Christian sects that say that alcohol consumption is evil.
can anyone explain this?
one of the Bible stories i actually know is the one about Jesus turning water into wine at the wedding @ Cana - and it was better than the wine that they had earlier in the feast - and people were all critical - like "why did you wait until everyone was wasted to serve the good stuff?"
this came up when I had dinner with the ILs this past weekend, and we were on our 4th bottle of wine (split between 5 people) - nobody had a good answer.
wine is good stuff.
Re: religon / alcohol
I was raised Catholic, so I'm spectacularly unqualified to answer your question.
A lot of DH's family is good ol' fashioned southern fundie, though. Not even Southern Baptist, more like weird subsects of Penticostals that meet in converted machinery sheds and whatnot. And a lot of them don't drink.
I'll bet if someone told them that Islam forbids alcohol, they'd start drinking.
1) excellent summary of scripture.
2) water to wine was Jesus' first miracle.
3) most people point to the drunkenness of noah as condemnation of getting your draank on. however, this could also be described as a split between those who focus on old testament vs. new testament.
old testament focus is generally more on condemnation and a vengeful God, whereas new testament is primarily about forgiveness and a loving God.
My perception is that this goes along with the fact that there are always branches of Christianity that take things to extremes. I think there are plenty of denominations who, while they don't advocate drinking, do believe that in moderation it's fine. But others think that any chemical that alters your state of mind shouldn't be used.
I don't understand it either. DH grew up Pentecostal and I've never bothered to ask him why they don't believe in drinking. I think it may be an issue of them thinking that even one drink could lead to self-control issues, which leads to immoral behavior. That's just my guess.
I concur, wine IS good stuff. I haven't met too many bottles that I didn't like.
The one and only time they did communion while I attended a service, it was grape juice.
At BIL's wedding, it was grape Kool-Aid. I kid you not. I do not think this is representative of mainstream Pentecostals, though.
The usual justifications I've heard are the 'stumbling block' ones. (note, not something I"m particularly in agreement w/ but more logical than most)
Basically, alcohol may or may not be bad, but drunkeness is (temperence and moderation are key, of course)
We're instructed by Paul to, if our behavior may lead 'weaker breatheren' to sin, not participate in that behavior--even if it's OK to drink/eat meat sacrificed to idols/etc, if by doing so, yoiu are a 'stumbling block' to another's faith, you should not participate in that activity--since me having a beer is less important than JimBob's faith.
If JimBob had any kind of faith worth having, you could have a beer guilt free. :-)
my church is not pentecostal, and we do not use wine for communion. we use grape snapple -- i am not kidding. i think it is more a cost and convenience issue, not a drunkenness issue.
we've had open bar at every wedding i've been to, including the marriages of at least two youth ministers.
And this is why I have my beer guilt free.
Or will once I can stomach food and not poison the progeny :-P
Grape snapple. I'm missing out.:)
Yeah, I think it's more of an excess thing, and anything that you put before your relationship with God. It's not really about the alcohol.
To quote Jamie, "Blame it on the alcohol." People use alcohol as an excuse for their actions at times.
(And I've never actually had 'real' wine for communion.
I think it involves costs, # of alcoholics in congregations, legalities, and just being easier to not argue about)
I thought part of it was because of the whole "your body is a temple" thing, and alcohol damages the body, therefore you're not respecting the body the way god intended you to.
At least, that's one argument I've heard from my southern baptist people.
And yeah, there's evidence that one glass of wine/day or whatever is actually good for the body, but that's iffy, I guess.