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Dear Community,

Our tech team has launched updates to The Nest today. As a result of these updates, members of the Nest Community will need to change their password in order to continue participating in the community. In addition, The Nest community member's avatars will be replaced with generic default avatars. If you wish to revert to your original avatar, you will need to re-upload it via The Nest.

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Karrey or anyone else who charts

I understand the basic concepts of charting - temps and cervical fluid, yada yada yada. What I don't understand is how the FF software actually works. Originally, it appeared I had ovulated, so we were in the 2ww, and were excited by the mere fact I had ovulated. As the week went on, and I continue inputting my information, it decided that based on my info, ovulation could not be detected. And now, after putting in my information from today, it says I 'may' have ovulated (dashed line instead of solid, at least on the same day it said last time) - what gives?

Mind you, I've never had a chart show ovulation before (well, the software that came with the book TCOYF said I did in November, but I don't trust that software - it didn't point it out to me until 2 weeks after it happened, and it was kind of quirky, so I don't trust it), so FF has never shown it before, so I'm not sure why it does they whole yes you O, no you didn't, oh wait you might have o'd thing. Very confusing. 

Re: Karrey or anyone else who charts

  • Quite honestly - I'm not sure you ovulated.   The FF software works by having so many temps above your coverline.  The temp drop there probably threw it off.  Just my .02
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  • I saw your crosshairs come and go the other day (boooo).  I was going to say something but didnt want to rub salt in a wound.  The basics are that ovulation is detected once you have an obvious and detected thermal shift of 3 or more higher temps.  Your temps went back down so it assumed that you hadn't O'd.

    Once it gets to the point of giving and taking away, I stop relying on it and just consider the cycle annov.  Seems like it is starting to rely on other signals and symptoms you are noting on your chart.  Sorry it is being so screwy with you.  All I can say is to try and stick it out until you can get to the doctor.

    ETA:  The dotted lines are noted because it is FFs way of telling you that it's guessing.  With a lot of your temps missing....it really has no way to detect from what you have input and is going on what information is there.  Which doesn't show a clear thermal shift.

     

  • Rachel - I'm thinking that too, but wasn't sure. Your .02 is definitely appreciated :-).

    Karrey - thanks for your input too! Yeah, when I saw the crosshairs disappeared, I was bummed. I knew it was too good to be true, but I really wanted to believe it. I told DH it was easier to say it probably didn't work, b/c then I'm not so disappointed when it comes to POAS. Sounds negative, but it works for my mental health :-). I know I have a lot of missing temps - it's hard to find the 'want' for charting when I know that I'm not going to ovulate; I know I won't, and charting just puts it out there. Like I need another reminder of my infertility. Definitely looking forward to the doctor next week. And keeping you in my thoughts for Wednesday - I hope the procedure goes smoothly and you have a quick recovery :-). 

  • Are you seeing a specialist or a Gyn? if you have said this already then you can kick me now.  My brain can't focus this week to save my life.
  • No worries - you have a lot on your mind right now I'm sure w/your surgery on Wednesday.

    I'm seeing my gyno. Since my first visit with them in September was as a new patient, they do SOME infertility stuff, but if what they do doesn't work, then they refer you to a specialist. If I had gone to my old gyno, I'd probably be seeing a specialist now or even last year, but I refuse to let that woman near me after neglecting to tell me I had a blood clotting disorder, and then letting me go on bcp. Luckily nothing happened, but it scared the crap out of me so I'm afraid to go back to her.  

  • Fertility Friend giveth and Fertility Friend taketh away. It sucks, but I am not 100% sure you ovulated either. As the PP mentioned, it "knows" you ovulated when you have a thermal shift, but if that thermal shift is not sustained after a couple of days, it gives you dotted crosshairs, and then eventually takes them away. A huge bummer. I remember the first time I got crosshairs I jumped up and down, only to have them disappear a couple days later.

    Hang in there, keep working with your new (NOT old!) gyno, and I hope you can figure things out soon. Charting is an excellent way to see what's going on with your body, so definitely try to be diligent about it. Karrey is a wealth of knowledge if you have questions!

  • Thanks Twink! Such a bummer when the crosshairs get taken away! It creates such a whirlwind of different emotions, and can be draining sometimes.

    I definitely like my new doctor, and DH and I are both looking forward to next week. I like charting, and plan on using it eventually (hopefully) as birth control, so I know I need to be more consistent.  I think I've developed a pretty good routine with it, and DH even helps by asking in the morning if I took my temp when he hears me fumbling for the snooze button. I know it's important, but can also become kind of a downer for me if I let it.

  • I don't have much else to add on top of what the other girls have said already, but I know how frustrating it can be to have your CHs taken away.  It really makes you go WTF?!? and wonder about what could possibly be going on with your cycle.  I've had it happen to me in the past, and I totally agree with you about how it creates a whirlwind of emotions...like you can't focus on anything else.  We're here for you, and of course Karrey is a great wealth of knowledge on FF and charting.  I've only been charting for about 6 cycles so I'm less experienced.  I wish you lots of luck with your doctor's appointment! 
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