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WHY I AM AGAINST HCR - LONG LONG LONG
OK let me begin by saying that i am libertarian and i am ALL FOR SMALLER GOVERNMENT. I voted against Obama for this reason, but i think McCain would have been all big government too so i think whoever is the President is a moot point. However, had McCain been President, this bill would not have passed simply because of a Democratic Senate and House and a Republican Pres. For those of you old enough to remember, Clinton tried to pass a healthcare bill back in the day, but he had a Republican Senate and House and it lost somewhere in 1 of the 2.
I follow alot of politics and I try to understand all aspects of an issue. I also rarely watch ANY television news because they are ALWAYS slanted right or left and rarely give the important details on an issue. I try to do my research on something and i apologize in advance if something i wrote is not exactly correct.?
I will also admit to being stubborn, so if i believe something (and i feel as though i educate myself to the facts before i form an opinion) i rarely change my position, so dont think that you will be able to change my stance on an issue.
I really summarized just a few of the reasons why i think this bill is bad. i could go on for days and can really go into detail on all of the ones i listed, but i just dont have the energy right now and you guys wont want to read it.
I dont want anyone to think that i am gun ho with the way things are - I DEFINITELY AM NOT!!!! but there are WAY better, more cost effective ways for healthcare reform. I do know that we need insurance reform and i do agree that everyone should have the opportunity to get affordable insurance.?I AM SIMPLY AGAINST THIS BILL!
1. The bill is unconstitutional. In the entire history of this nation, no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD. This bill has provisions where every single American citizen has to purchase health insurance or be fined.
2. The bill has a provision where as the government has access to your bank accounts. Why would they want access to your bank account other than to see if you have 'too much' money, then they can tax you so they can take it.
3. Illegal immigrants are claused into the bill at NO EXPENSE to them, only to the legal tax-paying citizens.
4. The bill is a job killer. I already have heard of people being laid off from their jobs (construction) because the small company they worked for cant afford the taxes that are RIDICULOUS for a small business owner to afford.
5. This is going to KILL the insurance companies, which is a plan of this government. The point of being insured at anything is to be prepared in the case of an unforeseen circumstance. If everyone has to be insured, then what is the point of an insurance company?
6. After this plan is in full effect, the government will have control of banks, medical industry, automobile industry, and STUDENT LOANS. Student loans you wonder? Yes, student loans. A provision to control the way student loans are issued was piggybacked into this bill, so now the government is also involved in higher education.
7. I DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR SOMEONE TO ABORT A BABY! I am pro-life and I don't even want to argue about this at all. Killing babies is just wrong. The executive order is worthless over a federal law. My tax money will be paying for someone to have an abortion.
8. I think the way this bill was ushered in is conniving, sneaky, malicious, and WRONG. I think the people that are supposed to be representing us are NOT. I know this goes on for probably every bill, but this one is going to cost us at least a TRILLION dollars and the entire notion of 'hey i will throw all this cool free stuff for your state if you vote yes' is just WRONG. I could spit on Mary Landrieu because she justs disgusts me but especially because she took a bribe for a yes vote.?
9. Who's going to go to school for 10 years and study medicine if there is no incentive as to why? What will be the quality of the doctors practicing medicine with all these new regulations and pay caps and whatever?
10. Socialized medicine may look great on paper, but when I have a medical issue, I am able to receive immediate medical attention, REGARDLESS if i am insured or NOT. I do not want to wait months to see a doctor because he has met his quota. Basically, I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE TO ME WHO or WHEN i can see my doctor.
11. I do not think the government has the right to tell someone that the only treatment they can receive is end of life counseling. Yes, it is in the bill that when the government deems the patient to be 'too expensive' that they will instead receive end of life counseling. God forbid if Gerrie or my aunt's cancer returns, would that mean they cannot receive anymore care? I think they and countless others deserve all of the care necessary to win their fight.
12. The government has run so many successful programs. Yes i am being sarcastic. Here are a few: the postal service (which is going through many layoffs and shutting down offices), Medicare and Medicaid (which doctors are refusing to accept because the government keeps shortchanging them), Social Security (which is bankrupt), the stimulus plan (which i havent heard of 1 single person getting stimulated by this plan), and the Cash for Clunkers (which from what i hear has been a MESS - it costs more to dispose the clunkers than the rebate was or something like that). HOW SHOULD I TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO SUCCESSFULLY RUN SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT TO ME AS MY HEALTHCARE?
13. How are they going to pay for this? All i keep hearing is the program will pay for itself and before long, will be making a profit. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? is the FED going to print up some more monopoly money? Likely, but as the value of our dollar decreases because of all this monopoly money being printed, inflation is going to continue to sky rocket, unemployment will continue to go up, and this mess will just get harder and harder to dig out of.
14. IT IS UNAMERICAN. it goes against everything this country was built on. for a while now, this country has revolved from being a place where one was able to work hard to achieve. now, too many hold their hands out to receive. it is NOT FAIR for those of us that work really hard to be successful get punished by rewarding those who wont do for themselves with free houses, free cars, free food, free healthcare.
Example - Hurricane Katrina was an awful thing. ALOT of people lost everything. Some of these people had never once worked a minute in their lives and cried and cried for the government to GIVE GIVE GIVE. 3 weeks later, Hurricane Rita was another awful thing. ALOT of people also lost everything. Did you ever once hear these people complain? I didnt and i live in the heart of all this. They just went out there and started rebuilding. I am in no way saying that people in NOLA didnt do this, but the ones that never worked a day EVER in their lives just cried to the government to do everything while those that have always done for themselves just did. this is what our country is right now and that is NOT a good thing. We need those that are able to get off the government teet to do so and start fending for themselves. otherwise, why should those that do work hard continue to do so? i believe that if this fundamental issue is addressed then alot of problems with this country can be remedied. i will save that post for another day lol.
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Re: WHY I AM AGAINST HCR - LONG LONG LONG
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thank you for giving us your opiniion.
and i would like to throw in there that i am all for healthcare reform, but i also agree that this bill is VERY lacking.
and i'm a democrat.
I agree with Tiffany. I think this bill is not the way to go but possibly a step in the right direction to get something going, but not sure. (i swing both realist and idealist...I'm a realistic idealist)...
I think everyone should have access to affordable healthcare. I can tell you first hand about small biz taxes. They take 40-60%. That's killing me, I hate it.
Do you have text supporting these points?
I ask because I've read numerous sections of the actual bill and, taking your bank account point for example, that is not at all what I read. I went back to look it up (section 163 if anyone else cares to reference it) and it's basically an ETF - same thing any company that you have auto bill or anytime you swipe your credit card - would have access to "verify funds at point of sale." It also explicitly states that this information is to be used at time of payment and cannot be shared with any other entity.
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22 use by any entity that collects, stores, or receives the
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2 Secretary.??.
I respect your options. However, quite honestly, I think most of your 'facts' are exaggerated at best and false at worst. Still, I want to thank you sharing. It's made me dig even deeper into the bill to see how it actually reads. It's been informative. And, again, if you have actual text to back up your points, by all means, please share. There may be other sections that I have yet to read.
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This argument makes no sense. No one is being forced to take any plan. It simply opens up the options for those that are without or for those that want to switch for one reason or another. If you have health care through your employer (which senators do), why would you take up something else? So, if you and I don't have to give up our employer-subsidized plan why should they?
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People legally cannot be turned away from an emergency room. However, many of those people don't pay. And guess who foots the bill? Tax payers.
Did you pay for 100% of your services while you were without insurance? If so, thank you.
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Do you file as a Schedule C, Partnership or S-Corp?
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Losing an election would probably do that! haha.
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currently I file as a sole proprietor so that I don't have to pay into unemployment. I have 3 years to not make any profit before they deem my past 3 years as just a hobby I was writing off...depending on my expenses vs. income this year I may file as an s-corp, it just depends. I will also have to eventually pay quarterly a projected income tax amount as well as sales tax amounts separately. Oh the joys.
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But that's not exactly what is happening. Beginning in 2014 (or is it 2018?) then a tax will be imposed on high-premium plans (and the tax will only be on the amount over the set limit, not the entire plan). Anything that falls below that threshold will not be subject to the 'Cadillac tax' as it has been dubbed. So, yes, eventually it could have an affect on certain plans, but far from all.
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I am very much with you, and yay for another Libertarian! When I tell people that's what I am they always confuse it with being a Liberal which is why most people get confused when I say I am against about 80% of what Obama has done since going into office.
What I just LOVE is that part of the bribery to get some of those last Dems on board was to take out the Abortion aspect of the health care bill, but then later they admitted that while it was removed from the bill that the House passed, the Senate version had it in it, and that's ultimately the version that the President signed.
It's fun stuff!
While S-Corps and Partnerships require much more work (i.e. filing a completely separate return), you can avoid some of the dreaded self-employment tax. I hate that extra 15%.
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Oh, I'm not questioning that this will cost money. It will. But we are already paying for all of the uninsured that utilize (and don't pay for) their emergency room visits (due to lack of insurance and access to preventive care).
I pay taxes for a bunch of stuff I don't use. Schools? Don't have kids. Might eventually, but for now, I'm not using it, but my tax money still funds it. However, I do indirectly benefit from an educated public. Same goes for health insurance.
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Interesting. Is it SSDI? If so, I guess that makes sense. Never thought about it though!
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Interesting thread ladies! I really would like to know more about the healthcare bill, but with the baby it's just hard to read much!
I just need to say one thing about this whole debate. Why is it that everyone gets so hung up on abortion as a medical procedure? That is such a miniscule part of healthcare as a whole, it seems a little ridiculous to center the entire argument on it. What about every other appointment, procedure, surgery, etc. that occurs?
DH and I had the exact same discussion a few nights ago!!!
I have to say that from what I've read and heard so far, I'm for this reform. I definitely don't think it's perfect, but it's a step. I still have to do more reading on it, and then I can make more logical arguments. So until that happens, I don't want to add anything untrue.
But I will say that the president of one of our major hospitals was saying the other day that medical costs are so inflated these days because the hospitals and such are passing the costs on to people who actually pay their bills from the people that use the health services that don't pay the bills. This could explain why I was shocked to see the astronomically large bill DH got from his hospital stay last year. The costs are just ridiculous. So I already consider myself paying for a lot of these uninsured people anyway.