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Mixed Race & the Census...yes, again.

I don't know how many of you read "Ask A Mexican" (You should, it's hilariously awesome.)  Anyway, a few weeks ago, some of us were questioning what to mark since it's not such a simple answer for us.  Here's Gustavo Arellano's answer:

...the ninth question in the census?despite its rigid caste classifications?does allow people to decide what race they are (the Mexican picked ?CHING?N? as his raza and urges the rest of ustedes to do the same) if you don?t like thinking of yourself as a gabacho, negrito, indio or all the different chinitos they list. Prefer the conquistador in your blood over the mestizo? Fill it in. Think you?re full-blooded Nahua despite the bigote on your lip and your g?era grandma? Fill it in. Happy with Question 8, which has a category for anyone who has any roots to Mexico? Check it. But stop the grand existential dilemma and teeth-gnashing over the imperfect census, banda: Do we really expect anything right to come out of Washington regarding Mexicans and public policy? It?s been one disaster after another since 1846.

While I will not enter ?CHING?N? (I'm tempted but too polite.), I think I will write "MIXED" in the box.  DC may do nothing with it, but they need to be made aware that some of us are mixed and it would be ridiculous to mark multiple boxes on the census on Q9--they would think we were assing around, anyway.

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Re: Mixed Race & the Census...yes, again.

  • Gustavo Arellano's column "Ask a Mexican" is hugely popular in the OC Weekly here in Orange County.  My husband has all of his books (he loves Gustavo's wit and humor).  And he would have absolutely marked Chingon if I hadn't filled out the form for us (I am the banker and secretary in our household).
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  • 1) It amazes me how different slang is from region to region. I had never heard anyone use the word chingon before...I had to ask Juan...and he wasn't exactly sure either :)...he figured it out based on the root word but man...that is what I get for hanging out with Colombians, Salvadorans, and Puerto Ricans!

    2) This guy is hilarious and I just shared it with DH.

    3) Seriously, who do we need to petition to get the form brought up to date?

  • As I have learned from my husband (and I am sure Munkii can confirm), a lot of words in Spanish have multiple meanings- a fact which really confuses me!  I have spoke Spanish words to my Suegra (mother in law) and have completely butchered them- she just laughs which actually makes me laugh too!   When I told her I was pregnant (Estoy embarazada), I almost said Estoy carneasada- like I am a piece of meat. 

    Anyhoo, chignon, to my knowledge can mean bad asss or f-ing awesome.. definitely slang and definitely something I would never say in front of my Suegra.

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  • imagenicoleabrock:

    As I have learned from my husband (and I am sure Munkii can confirm), a lot of words in Spanish have multiple meanings- a fact which really confuses me!  I have spoke Spanish words to my Suegra (mother in law) and have completely butchered them- she just laughs which actually makes me laugh too!   When I told her I was pregnant (Estoy embarazada), I almost said Estoy carneasada- like I am a piece of meat. 

    Anyhoo, chignon, to my knowledge can mean bad asss or f-ing awesome.. definitely slang and definitely something I would never say in front of my Suegra.

    1) "Estoy Carne Asada," is freaking hilarious.

    2) I think it's funny you wouldn't say it in front of your suegra...I wouldn't either (or in front of my Ps).  However, my cousins in MX have said whatever they wanted in front of my tias/os and abuelita when she was living.  Imagine my 10-yo self hearing my 9-yo cousin saying "ching---" to his ma.  I've learned in MX, pretty much anything goes when speaking, though, if you're male.

    3) When I went to Rutgers, I definitely learned a different Spanish than I grew up with--everyone I knew in NJ was PR/DR/Cuban, there were very few non-islanders.  Also, a PR classmate and I were just discussing this week how words in some dialects mean normal things while in another may mean something pretty vile.

     

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  • I think I might not be saying it right, when I read your post I say "chignon" as in that french hairstyle...lol
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  • imageFotophreak4c:
    I think I might not be saying it right, when I read your post I say "chignon" as in that french hairstyle...lol

    Haha THIS! 

  • I got through the race question ok.  But that marital status thing? 

    1.  Bush decided that because of the Defense of Marriage Act, the census should redefine anyone claiming to be married to someone of the same sex as single.  This has, btw, the effect of redefining anyone who has had a sex-change operation since marriage as retroactively unmarried, unless the spouse had a corresponding sex-change operation.  This could be news to some couples who were married when they were, in fact, of opposite genders.

    2.  Obama decided that we should be counting gay people who identify as married. However, it was too late to change the computer program.  So in effect, the same-sex married couples get changed to single, then changed back again to married.

    3.  Those same-sex couples who identify as married will be counted as married, even if they have never been legally married anywhere.  This may well result in Utah being treated as having one of the highest percentages of same-sex marriages in the country.  The reason is that Utah has such a pro-marriage culture that same-sex couples living there are more likely than those living in other states to define themselves as married.

    Now, as for those same-sex couples who recently got married in Mexico City, let us hope none of them ever has to fill out a US census form!
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