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POLL: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
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Re: POLL: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
I would think that would fall under Pro-choice, being the right to choose life or death of a child.
And how would you ever know if said woman was doing such an act? You wouldn't!
Unfortunately...I usually do find out. I'm a L&D nurse and we ask. You would be amazed at how many admit to it!
Such an expensive form of birth control. Cheaper to just get the IUD or shot or get the tubes tied! Hello medicaid or sliding fee scale services!
I say pro-choice... I am mad at myself because I voted for pro-life without reading the choices very well on this post... so kick me please!
Pardon me for being blunt, but I'm confused. WTH did you think Pro-Life meant? Did you think it was a trick question?
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In future posts about abortions, I will make sure I use the words Pro-Life and Pro-Death. That way next time there will not be any confusion between the two.
So hardworking taxpayers are okay with footing the bill for an unwanted child for the next 18 years because someone refused to let them use a sliding fee scale service to obtain birth control? Just because they are poor doesn't mean they are on welfare... maybe they are in college, maybe their private insurance doesn't cover birth control (I had one before that didn't), perhaps the woman cannot use their insurance due to the primary insurer would find out (a young woman on their parents insurance... not wanting them to think they were sexually active.)
When I mentioned such an expensive form of birth control.... I was adding on the end there that there are cheaper, and less financially/emotionally draining, options out there (eg pills, IUD, shot, tube tying, etc.)... aka prevention.
Abortions are NOT sliding fee scale services (at least in the 3 towns I've lived in and had clinics). You have to pay the entire thing up front, cash, no checks. Planned Parenthood does not do them here (in central Illinois)... so your money (donations, united way, etc.) does not pay for abortions, it goes towards prevention education and medical visits (yearly exams, BC selection, etc.). Medicare does not cover abortions, btw. No ones tax dollars are going to that.
I work in human services and I see so many unwanted pregnancies... those that didn't get their next shot, couldn't access a doctor (too many barriers to list why here), said they were going soon, didn't think they could get pregnant, etc. You'd be shocked that people will cough up hundreds of dollars to get an abortion... but don't want to spend a few dollars to obtain a package of condoms or drive to the clinic to get free condoms. I wish more women who were faced with an unwanted pregnancy would go the adoption route. No one can force them to do that though. So many are open adoptions today.
In addition... "hard working taxpayer"... I have friends and co-workers who have gone through hard times and ended up on a form of medicare... husband laid off and had the insurance and mom was a SAHM, mother only worked outside the home and children qualified for state insurance. In Illinois, the All Kids insurance program has co-pays for doctors and monthly fees if your income is not alot.
I could go into another rant about the US needing universal health care or all consumers being charged the same price for the same service and getting the same treatment... but I'll save that convo for my best friend and I.
Would medicaid be okay? That might seem like a "free medical ride" for the hard working taxpayer helping those that are retired. I am a hard working taxpayer too... so yes, we've got a bunch of idiots ruining the program... but there are lots that are doing the right thing and need a little help! We can't punish them because of someone else. Just thank the government that welfare reform happened in the 90's or hard working taxpayers would be paying for alot more (5 years is max for that assistance)! Those recieving cash assistance have to go to classes and do community service hours (or work just little enough to recieve some cash as well). We're talking roughly ~$300 month. It's alot of work for that little amount of money.
Whew... this ended up being longer than planned. Thanks for listening again
I'm Pro-Life by belief, but fall into Pro-Choice politically. I definitely believe that life begins at conception, but I also agree with the concerns many have that many women will unfortunately find a way to have an abortion, even if it means being unsafe about it (if abortion was illegal). I would never recommend for a friend to get an abortion, but I also don't want those that choose to do so to risk their own safety by going to a shady doctor. Rather, I think we should focus on preventing conception in the first place for those that would end up resorting to abortion.
Hope this makes sense! It's a very complicated issue which is really difficult to sum up in one paragraph!
Looking at the current results of the poll, it is good to see that the Catholic church still has its stranglehold on St. Louis.
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I just love how people say, "Well I would NEVER have an abortion, but if other people needed one, that's ok. ?Therefore I'm pro-life." ?Clearly I am pro-choice because I firmly believe that everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs and exercise their own choices whether I would choose the same thing or not.
Sorry I took so long in responding to your post. I wanted to think about and research this topic before I did. Now that I have, you make some very valid points. However I also believe that life begins at conception. I am also against the abortion pill, or promoting that tweens, teens can just go to into a PP and get BC. It is more or less promoting children to have sex, instead of teaching them to abstain. I know for a fact that the PP in Columbia and Forest Park offer these services. Not only does it state that on their website, but I also know a friend that went to one of those locations to get the pill. A PP is a PP no matter what state it is in. Whether a woman/child is going there to get BC or an "A," if my tax dollars are going towards such an organization that offers such services, I oppose it. I do not want to support anything that I do not believe in, so PP would fall under that category.
It's been fun debating with you... Have a great day!
I am not Catholic either. I am Christian/Non-Denominational.
Unlike Crash, I do care about Suzy Q down the street. My friend that went to PP to get the "A" pill is Catholic. At the time she thought it was the only option, giving her circumstances. She now regrets everyday that she did it. I am the only person she told about the "A." Anytime the topic comes up in debate or conversation with others, she is struck with the guilt again and has to leave the room or look away and starts to cry. Unfortunately women who choose to terminate a pregnancy have to live with that decision and possibly guilt/regret (whether they admit to it or not) for the rest of their lives.
Yes, we are adults, we make decisons. Sometimes we regret them. That's how it is. She made the CHOICE. It not for you to decide for everyone that they shouldn't be given the right to make it.
See byac, that's the thing: I DO have my opinions, and you have yours. ?The difference is that by pushing so hard for legislation to limit women's choices, you are in fact taking away anyone's right to disagree. ?I don't know I could ever have an abortion. ?(BTW, you show your immaturity by not even being willing to "say" the word.) ?That doesn't mean I think what is right for me is right for everyone. ?In fact, I think those kinds of choices are so personal and monumental that they should be left to each person instead of the government. ?I find it hilarious that you think we can just agree to disagree when you want to take away my rights.
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Do you own a TV? ?Can you honestly say you think the results of abstinence only education are proving themselves to be good enough?
Have a great day!
And again, that is what is right for YOU and YOUR family. ?What about what is right for the girl who was molested by her family member? ?Or the victim of rape? ?Or the baby who is going to be so grossly disfigured that it will never have a normal life.
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In this country, we are supposed to be able to have our beliefs. ?There are MANY people who do not believe that a person is alive until they are out of the womb. ?So I go back to my original point which is that you are TRYING to take away a person's right to hold a belief that is different than yours. ?Do you really think you are that superior? ?I too am a Christian, and I know that I am a sinner just like everyone else so I choose not to cast stones at those who think differently than I do.
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Abortion is not a negative word. ?It is a clinical term just like suture, tonsilectomy, ?and endocervical. ?You choose to treat it like a dirty word. ?Do you have issues saying sex and calling parts of the body by their proper names too? ?Are those negative words? ?
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Finally, have you looked at the number of children who are stuck in the system? ?My guess is Sara Pailn's daughter's child could get adopted. ?It will be white and probably healthy. ?On the other hand, children of minorities and those with disabilities continue to whither in foster care with no stable home. ?The world is not all rosy. ?It can be a real and hard place. ?By closing your eyes to those realities, you do no one any service.?
This debate is not getting anywhere. I am not swaying your views, and you certainly are not swaying mine. You take the high road; I'll take the low road. ::walking away::
Again, have a great day!
Wow. I love the Scarlet Letter aspect of this debate. Fascinating.
And mrs.byac - you specifically state that your stance is biblical. OK. That's great - for you.
How on earth does that make it OK to legislate such a thing? Remember the separation of church and state? I'm an atheist. Why should your admittedly biblical views be forced onto me? It's a work of fiction. An interesting piece of literature. Not a rule book for life. (If it were, one would hope it wouldn't contradict itself as much as it does.)
Wow. Just wow.