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Palin Tonight
So I'm interested in watching Sarah Palin's speech tonight. I really didn't think she was the best choice but since she came out I've researched a lot about her and she's pretty much a badass.
I still probably would have preferred someone who could steal more votes from Obama but I look forward to seeing what she has to say and offer.
Re: Palin Tonight
I am right there with you... At first I wasn't a huge fan, and I haven't completely totally jumped on the Palin wagon, but I'm getting there... I still think there were better choices though... oh well
I think they said she is coming on at 10:35....
I agree, I'm really liking her. I love how the media keeps trying to stir up crap on her and it ends up backfiring and making her look even better. The pregnant daughter as an example. When Obama comes from an 18 year old mom well, nuff said.
On a side note.....All the guys I work with(who wouldn't vote for Obama anyway) keep saying "hell yeah I'm votin for her, shes hot." ahhhh... Pathetic men!
LOL Well my DH is calling her a VPILF!!! Men....
Mrs. DMC, just wondering why all your co-workers "wouldn't vote for Obama anyway"... ?
I don't think the media is doing anything different with Palin that they haven't done with others in the past. The media stirs up controversy. I guarantee you, if it was Barack or Biden's daughter up there pregnant they would be saying the same things.
And even in today's time, a 17'year who is pregnant and (imo, forced to marry the father) is still controversial. Barack's mother met his father in college even if she was only 18 when he was born.
I think that after her speech last night, Palin is really going to help McCain give Obama a run for his money. She had a terrific speech, didn't back down, wasn't a "Hilary" and dang it, I really liked her.
I think what will appeal to a lot of people is that she IS really "just like us"...she has the same family issues that we have, she started out wanting better things for her kids, she's actually done things in office to help her city/state...I think she's one of the few politicans out there that is geniune and real.
I also believe that her daughter isn't being forced to marry her boyfriend. Look at Jamie Lynn Spears. Even though she's a celebrity, she was engaged to her boyfriend after she got pregnant and it wasn't forced (though I believe that relationship is going down the tubes).
While I think Palin will help McCain's campaign, it has not made me rethink my choice. I am still voting same way I was before.
Steph, I appreciate your points. But remember how much Obama was drug thru the mud when his pastor made crazy comments and all the talk about him being Muslim and worshipping the Koran. We all know that our pastors views don't always agree with our own.... and Obama has been raised Christian since birth.
Palin seems like a good person.... but I just can't see enough about her to warrant a VP pick. If they wanted a strong woman candidate, Kay Bailey Hutchinson would have been the strong pick.
I'm not necessarily an Obama supporter.... But I just can't see McCain changing anything for the better in our country. This is the worst shape our country has been in since I was born. Our education system is down the tubes, our family members are dying in a war that seems unwinnable and our economy is close to a recession... I really fear for the future of our country if the same policies are going to be put in place.
Truthfully, I worry about our future no matter WHO is picked to be president.
I think that I like McCain and Palin more because they seem to be a little more in tune with what people really want/need. I'm for the oil line. I'm for drilling off shore. I'm for using natural energy and less taxes on payroll, schools, etc.
Besides, if this country falls apart, I have to move to a farm and I don't want to do that (LONG STORY hehe).
Sorry Roddigity I'm gonna have to chime in on this one. I like him as a person but Obama was a member of that pastors church for years and if that was the hate he was spewing it did question Obama's beliefs. Rightfully so he changed churches.
But you can't compare that which could show his possible radicalism to the Vp's daughter's pregnancy. One of them is actually an issue and the other is not. She shouldn't be judged on what happened to her daughter and has happened to lots of people's daughter's all around the world.
Rodiggity.....I have a feeling I know where you are trying to go with that and get it out of your head.....it is not because he is black!
They had planned on voting for McCain anyway and I thought it was rather comical they were saying that. If YOU have any other issues with that and their freedom to vote for who they chose, you will have to take that up with them.
Of course the media is going to stir up crap on any canidate but you cant deny that they are going to be a little harsher on any canidate that is not a white male.
Nah Mrs.DMC I think you jumped the gun there. Rodiggity included Biden's daughter as well. She wasn't making it a race issue.
I just think it's ironic that Obama can be judged for his pastor's off the wall comments but Palin can't be judged for her daughter's decisions??
That just seems a little backwards. Our family is a direct representation of who we are. Palin doesn't believe in sex education for young adults... she believes in abstinence. But this obviously doesn't work for teenagers and didn't work for her daughter. So their way of spinning it is to say that it's a blessing and her and the father are going to be married. I think that's what I find the most disheartening. What is going to happen when McCain/Palin decide to take sex education out of schools and strictly preach abstinence. Our teenage pregnancy levels are going to skyrocket.
People can pretend that teenage drinking and teenage sex isn't happening but it is. Pictures have surfaced all over the internet of Palin's daughter partying with alcohol and in comproming situations.
And I'm not saying that Obama's paster's comments didn't bother me either. But you can't throw mud at Obama for things people close to him have done and then not do the same for Palin/Biden/McCain.
Nah I disagree. Obama was criticized about his Pastor because he went to that pastor's church for twenty years! We all know how a Pastor influences his members and I think its right for someone to question Obama's beliefs if his pastor is a public radical hate spewer.
I mean twenty years is a long time to be at a church if you supposedly don't agree with a pastor's views. As soon as the election came and it came to light Obama left. But you really think he hadn't heard it before. That is something that could directly relate to his ideology. That's why its an issue.
Now what someone's kid does has nothing to do with her. As great as you want to be sometimes something falls off the path and makes a mistake. Even Obama said don't bring people's kids into it.
Oh and i don't agree with the whole abstinence teaching either. And also to add, Palin doesn't believe in not having sex education at all she just believes that its the parent's responsibility, not the schools, to give sex education. She believes schools should teach abstinence rather than full on sex education.
Again, not that I agree with that either.
Like I said, you would need to take that up with them. My reasons are because I dont believe in him. I dont believe in anything he stands for. Do I think the country needs a change?...Hell yeah, Do I think Obama is the change we need? Hell no. I dont think he has the experience to be able to pick up the burden that is on our country now.
And this statement is exactly what is wrong with most of this country now. ?Since when is it the schools responsibility to teach sex education? ?I understand it has been in the school systems for many many years.....but this to me is just one more issue that parents can't take responsibility for themselves. ?I throughly believe sex education should not be in schools. ?This is something that parents should be teaching their kids on their own in the home. ?But that would mean parents must take responsibility for their actions and most can't do that now a days. ?It makes me sick.?
I don't post much, just lurk, but I have to chime in with my little 2 cents
I agree with Ro, and I have to say that IMO Obama attending a church no matter how long does not necessarily imply that he agrees (takes on the ideology) with everything that comes out of the Pastors mouth.
Having been born and raised in Chicago and very familiar with Trinity knowing members (some family and friends) that attend and have attended for many years (some nearly as long as Obama), etc. I can say from what I know about the church and some of the people who have attended, they aren't people with radical ideals. They go, get the message, tilt the head where they feel necessary to things they don't agree with and move on. Some people attend that church because of the many outreach ministries with impact the community positively.
Understanding though that we are a judgmental society, whether we will admit it or not, no matter what a candidate does/says or someone associated with them does/says, it will be scrutinized. It?s a dirty game and like others I don?t agree with the dirtiness of it all, but like Ro said, the media is doing to Palin what they?ve already done with others. Should her family be off limits, yes, but like the sound bit had many people wondering who Obama is, the same holds true of the situation of Palin?s daughter. Its dirty?but that?s politics?
I appreciate your opinion and your first hand knowledge of the issue, but I still respectfully disagree that they are comparable. It's one thing to question someone's ideology but to question them for a mistake their child made? I don't think it's relevant or a reason to judge them personally but rather just a point to gloat in someone else's family's mistakes.
Hmmm, I do think its relevant to some in light of her advocacy of removing sex education from school and teaching abstinence, seeing that obviously it did not work in her own household where you would assume it was taught?some may question whether the legitimacy of her plan in light of that, because although it was her daughter?s mistake, it was still her daughter who is although capable of making her own decisions, she is not an adult?
No matter the candidate, most of our society will feed off of what the media says and from that form their opinions and although dirty and wrong at times, just as the information about Obama put a question in your mind as well as others concerning his ideology, Palin?s daughter?s situation may do the same, not ideology, maybe not comparable to you or others but there are people where that information does provide more insight on Palin whatever that may be.
BTW, let me be clear, I don?t think it was right for them to expose her daughter nor did I think it was right to hold Obama accountable for something someone else said, regardless. I also don?t think its right for anyone to gloat on someone else mistake. I just think what the media has done with Palin?s daughter situation isn?t anything new?and it has been done to other candidates and its relevant to some so the media will probably continue to report things that some think is unfair and off-limits?. .
I haven't posted in a while, but I'll chime in here.
First, I think that Palin's speech last night did help McCain, but I will be interested to see how things play out as she is asked more about the nuts and bolts of issues (foreign policy, economy, Iraq, etc.). Nicole Wallace, a sr. advisor for their campaign was on tv this morning and said that Palin shouldn't have to answer to the media on these issues, which made me lol, because this is a job interview. She's going to have to do more than slam the left and call herself a pitbull with lipstick.
I don't care that she has a pregnant daughter. Teenage pregancy rates are already really high in this country, so nothing new there. I think that she knew Bristol would be subject to media scrutiny when she accepted the nomination. You campaign with your families. People want to meet them, see them, know about them. It's Palin's job as her mother to protect her from that scrutiny, not the media's. Hopefully she prepared her for it before accepting the nomination.
In an ideal world, parent's would talk to their kids about sex. But they don't, or they don't fully prepare them anyway. Obviously Palin couldn't make abstinence-only education work in her own household (not that I think it's her fault that Bristol's pg, but it does serve to prove that point). Believe me, your kids are going to learn about sex in school whether you want them to or not. If I wasn't going to teach Ava about sex, birth control and abstinence, I'd much rather she learn the correct info in a classroom.
I'm so over hearing about Obama's pastor. Yes, they were members for 20 years, and we heard 3 minutes of soundbites. I've heard terrible soundbites from Parsley and Haggee too, and that didn't stop McCain from asking for their endorsements and calling them "spiritual advisors".
Lastly, I love Keith Olbermann! But I wouldn't recommend that McCain/Palin supporter watch his show. He makes no secret about being a progressive. I wouldn't watch Fox News during the democratic convention, kwim?