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advice needed please! re: DH's job (ad nauseum)
Last week Ted officially got his promotion at work, he's been working in that higher position for the last 7 weeks. His company called it a "trial period" and then finally promoted him and gave him the advanced title. Well today he had another meeting, where they (finally) after 7 weeks of doing this job which he wasn't even hired for, gave him his raise. I don't want to say what the raise was, but it wasn't much and honestly... considering his new title and work load, it's insulting. It's lower then the lowest someone with the same title would expect to make anywhere.
I know he's really disappointed because he feels like he's being undervalued and possibly taken advantage of. I feel the same way, but I want to kind of keep him calm.
I think he needs to talk to his direct boss and tell her that if that's how much they want to pay him then they should keep him at his original position and just hire someone else to do the job he's been doing the last couple of months. Honestly, I know we should be happy he has a good job, but unfortunately his future raises will be based on what he's getting now, and his next step with this company is IT Manager. They would literally have to double his salary right now to compensate him like any other IT Manager anywhere around here. His bosses have told him that they want him to move into the IT Manager position in a couple of years... I don't see them paying him what he's worth though.
I'm so scared of giving him bad advice and having everything backfire on us. I just think he has to say something. how can he not, really? This will effect the rest of his career with this company... and he likes the company, he was planning on staying, but now we aren't so sure.
He said when they showed him the paper with his raise on it the HR manager totally saw the shock and disappointment in his face. I kind of feel like he should have said something then... but, I'm kind of impulsive at times.
Shut up or speak up?
Re: advice needed please! re: DH's job (ad nauseum)
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I'm sorry that Ted has to deal with this... especially after 7 weeks of hard work! It seems to me like they already forgot that they were just paying another full-time position, and are trying to get Ted on the cheap. He should definitely say something.
My only advice (and I'm not saying it's great advice, just what I would do) is for him to try and phrase it without sounding whiny or ungrateful. I would avoid saying and "if" phrase like, "If you're only going to pay me X, maybe you should hire another employee to help." Instead, I would start with a statement-question like, "I appreciate the opportunity and pay raise, but it wasn't quite what I was expecting. Are you still budgeting for another full-time or part-time employee to take on some work?" I don't know, something like that...
Also, I really think he should bring up the pay scale thing. Even if they don't want to bump his pay right now, they have to know that they risk losing him in the future when he goes shopping for a better salary.
Good luck to him and ::vibes:: that he finds a better solution!
I can completely understand how your DH feels. I am a manager of a motel with about 10-12 employees, and I don't make much above other employees, and yet I have the headaches and oncall all the time.
However, the economy sucks around here. I am so lucky to have a full time job, it gives some performance bonuses, my boss is amazing and is extremly understanding, therefore I would rather not say anything and keep my job even if I am not being paid as much as I deserve. I guess you guys have to consider whether or not there are risks involved and if it is worth it.
Good Luck
I think Kahtie's advice is pretty good! The phrasing is key! I also agree with Teresa & there are risks involved.
BUT I know you guys have also been looking for an opportunity to move to CO right? So if things with Ted's job aren't going so hot, & things with your job aren't going so hot, wouldn't you say that this is a good time to start looking at relocating??!
Just a thought! Things happen for a reason, I truly believe that!
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Yeah I see key points in Kahtie & Teresa's replies. Ted definitely needs to find a good way to phrase it, I think what Kahtie said sounds good. We talked about it and he definitely wasn't going to go to his boss and say "Pay me more or else...' or anything along those lines, but on the other hand this company is always saying how much they like Ted and how they have plans for him, etc. But they aren't paying him in that fashion. I know the economy sucks, but if they want him to stay once things are better and there are more jobs out there for everyone, then they should be paying him like they want him to stay! lol. I mean, yeah they could hire someone else right now & pay them the same as Ted, or less, but that person will constantly be on the look out for something better & leave as soon as they find it.
So, I think Ted needs to just tell his boss that he's grateful for the opportunities they're offering him, but he is disappointed by the raise, and it is well below the median pay for the same position in the area where we live.
Thanks for all the input ladies! & Yes, Alison, we did talk about what our job situations mean for our relocation plans. If we didn't own a condo here, and had more savings, then we might be just going & figuring it out in CO. lol.
I think this is perfect. It's an uncomfortable situation because you don't want to appear greedy, but I think if he has the facts of what the "going rate" for his position is in your area, that helps. I would think that his employer would understand that it's not personal, etc. and that he is just advocating for himself.
And as an aside, studies have shown that one of the reasons many women make less money is that they don't negotiate their salaries, whereas many men do - kind of interesting. My first job out of school they offered me a pretty crappy salary and I negotiated it up a little. The person hired after me, didn't - so for no reason other than the negotiation, I was making more money that she was.