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Unattended Childbirth
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This girl was pretty active on the Natural Birth board and was planning an unattended childbirth with zero prenatal care, on purpose. Like, nobody there but her and her husband. She was due 8/2 and her account was last active 8/9/10, last anyone heard she was still pregnant. I confess I am insanely curious about what happened to her. Did she die because she's an idiot? Did something happen to her poor baby? I realize this is morbid. I guess I'll probably never know.
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Re: Unattended Childbirth
Right there with you. And she was a very active poster, so to just drop off the face of the earth...yeah, I fear the worst.
UC, especially with no prenatal care, is crazycakes.
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More likely something happened and she had to have a section and is now needing to reevaluate or something. When your identity is all about being completely unassisted and you need major assistance I think she might just need some time.
I hope that is it. I am now curious too so update if something happens! And yeah I'm pretty hippy dippy about birth but UA scares me to death. No thank you. Birth was never historically unassisted so I'm just not certain why this is something women seek to do.
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Lanie, I truly hope that's what happened. Zero prenatal care, a week+ overdue? Makes me cringe to think about it.
I'm all about folks having choice in childbirth, and if UC is the way you want to go, and you've fully accepted the risks (up to and including death) and responsibility, well then vaya con dios.
UC is not something I would ever choose.
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i remember her.
one of the moms in my cloth diaper group had a UA with her last kid (her third). She is due any day with her 4th, having a home birth but with a midwife this time. I guess it was bad enough to scare her back to sanity.
Zero prenatal care = terrifying to me. Placenta previa anyone? It's not even the birth part, but what comes after. That placenta can be a challenge especially when you don't know what to look for. I don't get it. I just don't.
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meep! never never never in a million years would i even entertain the idea of doing this.
this goes in the same category for me as people who insist on going on solo mountain climbing expeditions. certain activities really do call for professional assistance. you hope things are ok...but aren't completely suprised when the search and rescue crew find them partially buried in ice a quarter mile from the summit.
WHile I think doulas are great, they are limited in what they can do.
UC is unnatural. even back in the day when there wasn't u/s, blood tests, and cervical exams, there were wise women who attended the births and supported the mother with all their experience. As far as prenatal care, it has certainly positively affected maternal and fetal death rates, but from things I've read, very experienced midwives can deliver placenta previa with a pretty darn low death rate--or at least they could back in the day when they were the ones birthing all the babies and getting all the experience. (read from "Ina May's Guide . . . ").
I am also about birthing choices, and would absolutely never choose something as crazycakes as UC or something as dangerous as no prenatal care. I would, however, consider a home birth--maybe for #2. One of the reasons why it's harder for me personally to choose home birth is that my hospital birth and all prenatal care cost me $20 while CNM and homebirth is not covered by my insurance.
UC is colossally stupid. If something preventable were to happen / have happened - how could you ever forgive yourself? Is there any point at which you realize that if you'd just have put your holier-than-thou flag down for a minute and put your / your child's life ahead of your need to have bragging rights...
I think it's great that women are now embracing "natural" childbirth / making choices about the way they want to deliver children. But I can't help but think that a lot of expectant mothers get caught up in the hype / rhetoric of the "natural" childbirth industry - which rakes in a lot of $$$ creating a sense of anatagonism between women and MD's. It makes me wonder how many women are truly "informed" vs. those who just found themselves caught up in the next birthing craze.
I definitely feel that, if I were to do it all over again, I would have tried for a more natural birth. Perhaps use a midwife, try to manage pain without resorting to the epi so early, and really focus on what I wanted in a birth. I wish I didn't end up having a c-section. That said, I don't think I'd consider a home birth (though perhaps a birthing center instead of hospital?), and I would never in a brazillion years do anything as foolhardy as UC. You just never know what sort of issues you are going to run into, and I would never be able to forgive myself for something going horribly wrong that could have been avoided.
But I can't help but think that a lot of expectant mothers get caught up in the hype / rhetoric of the "natural" childbirth industry - which rakes in a lot of $$$ creating a sense of anatagonism between women and MD's. It makes me wonder how many women are truly "informed" vs. those who just found themselves caught up in the next birthing craze.
Sorry I think this statement is completely asinine. I do not know what you mean by the "childbirth industry" unless you mean the obstetrics machine that has caused the section rate to skyrocket to nearly 40%.
There is nowhere NEAR that "machine' in natural birth circles. To imply women are more ignorant because they choose to attempt to avoid interventions is just silly and believe me, no one is making big money off natural childbirth. No one.
Go natural at home with a healthcare provider or go to the hospital and have a baby there. Both choices for the strong majority of women are safe. The maternal morbidity rate has risen again to an all time high in 40 years and that's not because of home birth.
That is what gets me too. My SIL had a textbook perfect pregnant, labor, and delivery. That is, right up until delivering the placenta, which left a silver dollar sized piece attached... which led to an emergency D&E and needing 6 units of blood! Had she been unattended, she would have died. Period.
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Oh come on! You can't tell me that med-free birthing isn't in vogue, and that home birthing is even ultra-"cooler" (I think of it like, are you merely a vegetarian or a truly committed vegan?)
And, along with being fashionable, there are a host of accessories that the natural-birthing mother can purchase. Bradley books, doula services, NB classes, hypo-birthing CD's / take-home study kits. Really? No industry at all? I'm not saying that any of this is necessarily bad. I hope to deliver my kid without meds, too. And it def. seems like the "one intervention can lead to another" mantra makes sense.
But - I also think it's a little naive to think that there isn't marketing / rhetoric surrounding NB. And a lot of that rhetoric capitalizes on preaching "us versus them" when it comes to women and their physicians. It borders fear-mongering, I think. I don't know - this is the conclusion that I arrived at after speaking with a doula recently. She didn't realize that I'd already had one kid and went on and on about all of the terrible things that happen to you if you dare have a physician-only hospital birth. And I just sat there thinking "ummm - no - it actually wasn't like that at all..." And then I learned that she herself had never actually delivered a child in a hospital.
the avg. homebirth w. a midwife costs around $4000, including all prenatal/postnatal care, instruments, etc. the cost of a hospital birth STARTS at $13000 and that's just for the room.
and while there might be an "industry" for natural birthers, there are definate advantages for many of these products/services. I purchased the hypnobabies home course and even if I have to ultimately have a C/S, they have more than paid me back already in terms of relaxation and comfort--especially these last couple of months where even finding a position to sleep in is outright laughable.
you may thing there is "fear-mongering" amongst the NBers but the maternal/fetal morbidity rate in the US is absolutely astonishing. In other countries where as many as 1/3 of births are attended by midwives, at home, their rates are not nearly as high. the amount of interventions many hospitals like to push, mostly for "convience-sake"--and our nation's history with them (thalidomide, anyone?) is way scarier to me.
My thoughts as well. I don't want an induction or a c unless someone is in grave danger. I also want to be in a hospital, and have the option of numbing myself.
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I don't give a rats patoot what you choose as your birthing method. And while I agree there are major problems with scheduled inductions/csections for convenience sake, you cannot convince me that those are less dangerous than an unattended birth with prenatal care. So in that regard, overzealous natural birthers IMO are far more dangerous.
Edit: I meant without prenatal care.
En vogue is a term meant for fashion. I'm 100% sure that people don't decide to push humans out of their vagina med-free with the same reasoning skills as deciding between a clutch or satchel purse.
it was also considered "fashionable" to receive meds in the 50-60s--feminists were rebuking the standard "Eve's evil apple eating causes pain" rationale and stood defiantly "I don't want to feel any pain because I don't have to!"
and while I am on board for a NB, there is definately a call for compassionate use of epis and other pain meds as well as medical reasons for interventions. Only extremists believe otherwise, and you really can't pay attention to the outliers in this or any regard.
The only place that natural birth seems to be "en vogue" is the bump and only in small circles. Most people still think its barbaric, stupid, and describe anyone attempting it as foolish. It is far from an "industry" and there is no money in it. What are people selling exactly? Who is benefitting from this "industry" you're calling out? My friends IRL sort of give me the side eye for seeing a midwife, never mind wanting a home birth.
I think unattended birth is extremely dangerous and I think it gives natural birthers a bad rap.
That being said, have you checked mothering.com for that poster? Might be worth searching her name over there on the UA boards.
Natural birth means sans meds? I don't think that's just popular on the Bump. I don't even visit the Bump and most people I know want to at least attempt birth without meds. Just like most seem to want to try to BF. It seems to be the thing you are expected to at least try. Midwifery, as a separate thing or connected to women wanted med-free, is growing in popularity. I think that's the industry she was referring to. I don't think either med-free births or midwives are bad, unless women are guilted into thinking that is the way to go or they are lesser as women or mothers.