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Palin thinks she will see Jesus in her lifetime
Sarah Palin: I'll See Jesus in My Lifetime
This Freakin' Woman
Munger, who writes the Progressive Alaska blog, told me Palin is not just a creationist, but a "young Earth" creationist who believes that man and dinosaurs once shared the planet, and that the world will end in her lifetime.
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Munger claims she tried to stock the local school board with creationists several years ago, which caused him to quiz her on her beliefs."She doesn't believe in science, and her father was a science teacher," Munger said. "She told me she felt she would see Jesus in her lifetime."
http://www.jossip.com/sarah-palin-ill-see-jesus-in-my-lifetime-20080923/
Re: Palin thinks she will see Jesus in her lifetime
And here is the article the quote is from:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez23-2008sep23,0,3506838,full.column
F*ck. I can't make clickable links in firefox.
Here is the article:
September 23, 2008
There I was, headed up the highway out of Anchorage, when suddenly drivers were slamming on their brakes as Bullwinkle humped across the road.
At the airport I'd asked for a mid-size car, and they gave me an SUV. Now it was becoming clear why: A Camry wouldn't have a fighting chance against a moose.
Maybe it was a sign that I wasn't welcome in Palin country and should go back home to California. But just six years after she was mayor of Wasilla, a town of fewer than 10,000 residents, Palin could become vice president of the United States. I wanted to get a better sense of her by seeing the place that launched her onto the world stage.
The scenery on the drive to Wasilla is stunning, with jagged snow-capped peaks and dense birch forests. But if you travel this way, do not make the mistake of thinking you're about to enter a quaint mountain village.
Some towns have character. Some have a sense of place.
And then there is Wasilla, which greets visitors with Wal-mart, Target, Lowe's, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Carl's Jr., McDonald's and Taco Bell.
They paved paradise, and all they've got to show for it is chalupas and discount tube socks.
I thought I'd found the town center when I came upon a row of frontier-style buildings, but it was just a Knott's Berry Farm-style facade housing a Se?or Taco, among other establishments. Up at the next intersection of strip malls, I found a Chimo Guns shop across from a store offering 15% off of home-schooling supplies.
Sure, every town in the United States has its big-box stores, strip malls, fast-food joints and sprawling churches. But Wasilla seems to have little else.
I pulled into a strip mall parking lot with a giant "Congratulations Sarah" sign on a storefront and asked a woman for help.
"Ma'am, can you direct me to Main Street?"
"This is Main Street," she said.
"Well, where is the center of town?"
"This is downtown Wasilla," she said.
I expected better, Sarah. I really did.
Verne Rupright's law office is also on Main Street. He used to be a planning commissioner -- a position I'm not sure I'd admit to, having seen this place. Now he is one of five people running for mayor, a job with more cachet since it's become a steppingstone to bigger and better things.
Rupright admits the "downtown" area is no model city, with too much traffic and no real center. He'd like to fix that, he said, and the city sewer system is a mess too.
But don't blame Palin, he said, calling her a good mayor and a smart cookie. The town just grew too fast.
Nobody in Wasilla could possibly be a bigger fan of Palin, though, than Glenna Edwards, who has known the Palin family for many years. Edwards runs the Valley Medical Supply shop, where she sells $3.95 bumper stickers that say "McCain-Palin, Country First."
I never understood "Country First," I told Edwards. Is that the name of a bank that's sponsoring their campaign?
"It means take care of the country first, the people of the country. And do you know what I like about Sarah Palin?"
Pray tell.
"What I love about her is that she's not a blueblood. She's not a regular politician, a Washington politician," said Edwards, who was just getting warmed up.
"What I really enjoy is that she's one of us -- a regular person, pretty, sweet, kind and all those things . . . and she will represent our country in a very good way. And I think we need to get back to nuts and bolts and I think that's what's going to happen."
Edwards said she believes, as does Palin, that creationism ought to be taught in schools along with evolution, and that Barack Obama must be stopped. And Edwards assured me that humans have nothing to do with climate change, a position her pal Sarah used to share but has backed away from in recent weeks, saying that "some of man's activities" are "potentially causing some of the changes in the climate right now."
She's doing her part for the McCain-Palin ticket by selling a $4.95 bumper sticker she and her husband designed, complete with a depiction of a blond who looks like a hooker to me. The sticker reads:
"I Thinc Im Gunna Vote Four Oboma Cuz Thems Hollywood Peoples Like Him."
There you go. I knew I should have turned back when that moose crossed my path.
But not everyone up here is ga-ga over Sarah. Phil Munger, a music teacher and composer who lives on the outskirts of town, told me she's not the sweet person Glenna Edwards described. As for her image as an anti-corruption crusader, Munger said she's much more apt to get rid of anyone who crosses her.
Munger, who writes the Progressive Alaska blog, told me Palin is not just a creationist, but a "young Earth" creationist who believes that man and dinosaurs once shared the planet, and that the world will end in her lifetime.
Palin-tology, you might call it.
Munger claims she tried to stock the local school board with creationists several years ago, which caused him to quiz her on her beliefs.
"She doesn't believe in science, and her father was a science teacher," Munger said. "She told me she felt she would see Jesus in her lifetime."
If true, that's a little scary. But no more so than her view that a woman who's pregnant because of a rape shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion, or that the Iraq war is "a task that is from God." And you have to wonder if Jesus would have sued the federal government to have polar bears removed from the endangered species list.
But as I slogged through heavy traffic on my way out of Wasilla, assaulted by one eyesore development after another, I had an even more critical question for voters:
Can anyone feel good about supporting a vice presidential candidate who ruled a town with worse municipal planning than we have in Los Angeles?
Yes, she thinks the end of the world is going to happen during her lifetime. I'm uneasy with a leader that views humanity in this light.
A bunch of my friends from junior high thought that armageddon would come in 50 years and it would be super cool.
P.S. I love that you got this from jossip.... I read David's boyfriend's blog almost every day.
Can anyone feel good about supporting a vice presidential candidate who ruled a town with worse municipal planning than we have in Los Angeles?
IMO, this does not even make for a good debate. Municipal planning is something many towns falter on and the leaders of these places turn out to be great leaders and some do not.
That is if one believes that humans will cause it. Otherwise, it has nothing to do with views of humans or humanity.
Sorry, I should have stated that Steve Lopez is more of a satirical columnist. I doubt he was being serious about that line.
I would just like to clarify that the line above, specifically "this freakin' woman" was drafted by Jossip. It's not me editorializing.
And I posted this story not because I believe that people who feel that Jesus will be coming back and the world will be ending are crazy; I posted it because it is an interesting factoid about Palin and her personal beliefs. To be true, we hardly know anything about this woman, and these bits of facts are illuminating.
The problem isn't just whether she had them teach creationism in high school. The problem is that a person who thinks YEC is not just a valid explanation but actually prefers it to an evidence based theory obviously has no understanding of science and the scientific method. Goodbye science, goodbye medicine.
Actually I think it goes beyond even that. If she thinks we're living in end times (a thought which baffles me as much as creationism), how does that affect foreign policy? Where, despite any evidence, middle east leaders are seen as the enemy, ushering the next world war. Where Israel can do no wrong.
These people have always struck me as batshit crazy b/c she think they know better than all the evidence surrounding them.
The thing is, I have never actually heard a (potential) national leader say that they believe Armageddon will occur during his/her lifetime. As such, I am curious as to how someone who believes humanity will perish w/in the next few decades will approach such topics as the environment, foreign policy, etc.
I appreciate that pov and understand the concern. I take it a different way and can only say she would probably do what she sees as best for it will bring out the best in her and all people and prove she is a good Christian-thus, get into Heaven (if that makes sense-it has been a long day and I am hoping it does).
What?!?!?!
Her running Wasilla is part of her credentials for this job. If we aren't allowed to critique them, then why are why even considering them? If running a town is no indication of leadership skills, then it seems Palin's got less than two years exec experience not the additional six from being a mayor.
She can't have it both ways.
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with people believing whatever the heck they want. But it does worry me how they'll act on critical issues if they think the world is ending in the next 30 years or so...I mean why bother trying to fix the economy if we're all about to die? It's an excellent excuse to legislate your morality over pressing domestic and international priorities.
Tef - I totally follow your arguement. Believing that Jesus will come again does not mean she will not do what's best for this country. I don't care if she believes in aliens or the Easter Bunny, what I care about is what she's going to do for the country.
Who is this Phil Munger who writes for the Progressive Alaska blog?
I really didn't need to do a google to figure out he is very Democrat.
So what I am saying is that I have to take a bit of what he says with a grain of salt.
Sorry, I left a hanging thought so it doesn't make sense.
Municipal planning is something many towns falter on and the leaders of these places turn out to be great leaders and some do not. It should not be the sole thing they are critiqued on (municipal planning/town planning), but taken in as a part of the whole--city planning, taxes, programs, etc.
I care what she is going to do to the country too. That is why, as a non believer in Jesus, part II and all that that entails, I am nervous about what this means when it actually comes to her policy. This should not come as a surprise to any believer of Armageddon, that a non believer like me gives the side eye to any political leader who says my death is imminent.
I ditto this immensely.
Well, again, it is all in how you view it. Based on my readings of her and her faith, she would lean to doing what is in the best interest in order to make for a better world (I am trying not to make it sound rainbows and puppies-so bear with me) and, thus, secure her place. Letting the world go to crap would not do so and could allow for evil and/or chaos.
It does not surprise me, but I think a non-believer takes this type of statement very literally and causes the side eye. If you (generic you) look at it more philosophically-the promise of good/peace/sound county will cause a leader to look at situations in a way that only seek to improve the lives of all Americans and not just a select few.
That is an aspect that could cause concern. I guess I look at it in a less cynical way in regards to an official such as Palin (now there are others that I do worry about this, luckily they are usually religious leaders---ie Falwell) and see a better world as one that is beneficial to the most people---whether it be more jobs, greening the country, etc.
Why should we selectively look at only the generic good of the belief instead of the generic bad? What is the cost of this "good/peace/sound county," and what methods will be used to achieve it?
What proof do you have that she will seek to improve the lives of all Americans? What has she done so far to do this? I'm not going to take someone's word that their religion will improve my life b/c religion is generically good (a point with which I emphatically disagree). I want evidence.
But you are asking me take a leap of faith on this woman. You are asking me to ignore her beliefs about Armageddon and just assume that she will act out of reason and not out of religion? This woman is completely untested. I have no reason to believe that she would act in a way that is consistent with sound policy rather than in a way that is consistent with her personal beliefs.
BTW, wasn't Palin pentecostal? My H was actually a pentecostal in his youth (youthful transgressions); Pentecostals live their beliefs. It's not just something they talk about. It's something they do...
Well, it depends on what she believes are the beliefs about Armageddon. One religion/belief is different than the other. Some places say she was/is a Pentecostal...others say Catholic. I am still looking for a consensus (I have not seen one, but in the past week-there may have been one). I think any candidate is a leap of faith, though. I would ask the same for anyone who believes in McCain, Barr, Obama, etc. They may say one thing and completely do another, but who is to to say which face will lead the government?
The untested part has merit, I won't deny that, I just don't take one statement as indicative of her and then leap to it leading and controlling her policy making mind. Some say untested is a bad thing, others say it is good. I am not sold on which end I fall on yet with regards to her.
Not all Christians want to get rid of gays, science, feminists etc. And I have not seen one direct quote from Sarah Palin that she wants to get rid of them or other non-believers. She may want to convert you! j/k b/c I have never heard her say that either.
But this issue here is all of you who disagree with her religious beliefs and trying to tie her end of the world beliefs to how she will lead.
Do we know if any of what this guy Munger says is really true? Yes we know she has a deep faith- she has said that herself. But she has also said she does not push her beliefs on anyone.