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**Zaramarie & Catarntina** (possible TMI)
Hey Ladies - I'm hoping you can ease my mind with some FAM/NFP stuff.
I'm on day 28 of my cycle, my temps are typically in the mid to high 96 degree range. I had a temp spike last wednesday to 97.9, then next day it was 97.7, and gradually fell back down to 96.8 yesterday. Today its back up to 97.9 - my mind is boggled.
At first I thought the initial temp spike on 4/22 signified ovulation, but since the temp went back down I'm thinking it may have been caused by a tooth issue that started around that time (ugh root canal). As far as CF - no eggwhite at all, its been consistently creamy since day 9.
So what do you think? delayed ovulation? anovulation?
My next question is...since tomorrow will be day 29, should I take a pregnancy test if I dont get AF, or what?
Thanks so much ladies!!
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Re: **Zaramarie &amp; Catarntina** (possible TMI)
Hey Linds,
(Sorry I wrote a book!)
I'm having a hard time picturing it. What would you say your coverline was? How many days was your temp above the coverline the first time it spiked? Did you experience any "dry-up" after the first temperature shift? How many days has it been since the first temperature spike? 7?
I don't think the first temp spike was ovulation if you didn't experience any dry-up afterward. It could very well be because of your tooth. Did you have an infection that may have caused a fever? Did you experience any pain in your abdomen around either temp spike that may indicate ovulatory pain?
As far as being pregnant, did you use condoms? It'd be too early to tell if you were pregnant anyways. Meaning, your first temp spike was 7 days ago. You need 18 days of high temperatures to determine pregnancy from a HPT. Don't take a HPT for at least 10 more days if your temperatures are all above the coverline. I wouldn't bother if they weren't above the coverline for 18 days and you didn't have any dry up.
Right now, since I can't physically see your chart, this is what I'm going to postulate: You have not ovulated. Your body is trying to ovulate by the creamy cervical fluid. If this 2nd temperature spike today stays above the coverline for 4 days and it's followed up by cervical fluid dry-up, then the 2nd spike would be considered your ovulation. But only if both conditions are met. I'll have a better idea if I know what the coverline is, etc.
It could possibly be an anovulatory cycle -- but there's no where to know until after you get your period and don't ovulate. So, you still have to treat this as delayed ovulation. You could have a 60 day cycle without ovulation before it finally decides to give up and start over.
Did your book come with the trial software? It's really cool and helpful at letting you know whether you ovulated or not. You can enter in your chart for this month and see what it says since I'm having such a hard time visualizing it. I'm going to assume it'll say you have not ovulated since there was no cervical fluid dry-up, though.
I grabbed my TCOYF book and looked up anovulation. Chapter 7, page 108 & 109 -- there is a gray box that may provide some comfort!
Paraphrasing...
The pill can cause any of the following disruptions for up to several months after discontinuing:
Temperatures
- False Highs
- Temperatures that seem out of sync with cervical fluid
Cervical Fluid- Absence of typical fluid, leading to an unchanging basic infertile pattern even if ovulation occurred
- continous seeming fertile watery or milky fluid
- erratic pattern of patches of varying types
Then it talks about luteal phase and bleeding.It says It may take months to years. It takes longer for the drug to clear the system if you're young and thin, especially if you lost weight while on the Pill. It says you'll experience milky quality, or really nothing at all. And that eventually your cycles will go back to what they were before the Pill.
Not sure if that makes you feel better, but it seems like your symptoms are normal so far.
Linds - I too am having a slightly hard time visualizing. Just to let you know, I don't take temps (but will be starting soon to test for thyroid -- I keep forgetting though as I am not in the habit of taking my temp!).
That said... I am with catarntina in that you have not "dried up" yet so you may not have ovulated yet. However, some women never dry up. I don't know your history so I am not sure. Also some women's mucus never looks like egg whites - but if you've had egg whites in the past, then that is a good sign that you are in the norm regarding the "egg white" standard.
When in doubt, I would assume "double ovulation." This doesn't mean you will ovulate twice. It just basically means "delayed ovulation." With these scenarios, your body *appears* to ovulate at first but then acts wonky and suddenly you notice your body looks like it's preparing to ovulate again, causing confusion. The second attempt at ovulation is the real ovulation.
Double ovulation signs typically occur under acute stress. A root canal would definitely fall under acute stress, so I think you should assume that your body's first attempt at ovulation may have failed and it's now gearing up to try again.
In situations like this, I'd say abstain until your period comes as that will be the only surefire sign that your cycle is over. I agree with catarntina that pg test is prob too early right now.
I so wish I could reassure you either way, but unfortunately, it's a waiting game right now!
Ah yes - and coming off the pill may be confusing your signs too!
Thank you ladies - I think you're right...we have absolutely been using condoms each and every time, I was just paranoid I guess lol. There have been one or two times we didnt put the condom on *right away* so I guess I was nervous there.
Thanks for reminding me also of the possible scenarios since I am just coming off the pill. I feel much better now
Hopefully thinks will straighten out soon and I wont be so confused 
Thanks again ladies!
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I just learned more then I ever planned by reading this thread
I don't know much about the whole family planning method, but I wanted to pipe in with my own experience. I went off BCP (after almost 10 years) right before the wedding. My period has been all sorts of screwed up since that. I can usually tell when I'm ovulating, because I get a migraine. (That or I just happen to get a migraine half way between periods. ha) Even that has been all weird.
Last month, I was EIGHT days late. I finally broke down and POAS, and then promptly got my period the next day. go figure. Anyway, just wanted to give you another experience... I'd give your body a few months to figure out what 'normal' is now that you don't have hormones regulating everything.
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Linds - yeah, it may take some time to figure out your body's pattern as you normalize! And don't forget, contact pregnancies can happen! (Dh and I were trying to be so careful when I was doing therapy because the therapist wanted us to keep trying, but I kept thinking, "I am going to be SO MAD if I get pregnant without actually having sex!" lol).
Steph - I get a lot of those extra signs too. Tenderness in the chest, acne, pain in the abdomen... I think my husband really is thankful he's a guy!
Hmmm...perhaps this second temp spike does mean I'm ovulating...I do have a migraine - maybe I'll eventually realize this could be a symptom for me too? I always get migraines as I start, and end my period - so it would make sense if i got them when I ovulate too.
Thanks for your input Steph!!
SO glad we decided to go off BCP and start FAM prior to TTC - this will give my body some time to figure itself out and get back to normal before we TTC next year.
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Wasn't that an episode of Scrubs? How are your Pelvic Floor issues going anyways? Are they resolved?
I get weird symptoms around ovulation too. Terrible acne, like I'm 14 again. And canker sores. So weird, but at least I know what's causing it. And I get a headache day 5 every cycle without fail.
Linds -- one thing you can try. Take a multi-vitamin daily if you're not taking one. It can help normalize temperatures and cervical fluid -- I'm not a doctor so you may want to ask yours if it's ok to take one. If this pattern keeps up like this (say for 60 days without a period or signs of ovulation), you may want to schedule an appointment with your GYN to make sure you don't have any cysts on your ovaries, you don't have something like PCOS, and to make sure your thyroid is functioning properly.
As of right now, I'd just let nature try to run its course. It seems normal considering how long you were on BCP.
Let me know if you have any other questions, I'll try to help as best I can.
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Curious -- what was your temp today? Did you seem drier? And track every time you get a headache. It could very well be cyclical.
Catarntina - thanks, the pelvic floor issues are almost completely resolved. I have an appt tomorrow. I am a little concerned the 10k set me back because running can be tough on those muscles. I also find a glass of wine is just the extra factor I need at this point... hopefully that will resolve too!
I second the thoughts on thyroid issues or PCOS etc if your charting remains irregular, Linds. And a multivitamin can help with a lot of things. I would stay away from special herbs right now (like Chasteberry) because you want to know what's really going on with your body. But a good vitamin can be so helpful in improving overall health! (now I need to remember to take my vitamin tomorrow!)
Temp today was 97.5, and I did seem drier..not totally dry, but much drier than usual. I will definitely start writing down each time I get a headache to see if it forms a pattern within my cycle.
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I was going to quote, but these quotes within quotes within quotes get a little out of control on TN.
I agree with whoever said to track your headaches/migraines, too. It's made such a difference for me. I don't know if you guys remember me complaining about my migraines before the wedding, but they were horrible. I'm talking like 2 major migraines/week. Once I started tracking when they were happening (while tracking food for WW), I was able to see a pattern.... for me, migraines were caused by my ovulation and gluten foods.
Anyway, it really can't hurt to track all of this stuff anyway. It's kind of amazing what you can learn about your own body if you just pay attention to it.
P.S. I'm a huge nerd, so I actually track all of my stuff right on my Google Calendar. That way I can add something from my phone or work, etc. (I have a separate calendar so no one at work sees it. haha)
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Steph - I agree, it's so fascinating to learn more about how you work! And we are nerds too, ha - we have all sorts of charts.
I just love having the information and awareness.
Migraines, from what I have learned in recent months, can definitely be very hormonally driven. They are often associated with fluxes in progesterone levels and can even indicate progesterone levels are too low at certain points in a cycle.
Linds -- That's good. I don't usually dry up completely the first day after Ovulation. But usually by 2nd or 3rd. Keep paying attention. This is looking like ovulation so far.
Steph, you're so close to tracking everything, you may as well track your cervical fluid too. Then you can tell exactly when you ovulated, and you can ditch the pull-out method/condoms once you know when you're fertile/infertile. That's really the only other thing you need to start paying attention to to use FAM...
So incase anyone is still checking this thread I thought I'd post an update
I'm pretty sure the second temp spike was me ovulating...I'm on day 6 all above the coverline (day 33 in my cycle).
Another thing I noticed was that I've been waking up with a really dry mouth the past few days (starting when my temp spike occurred) - is this coincidence or could it be another symptom since my CF has dried up a bit, so could the rest of my body? Am I reading into this a bit too much?
Thanks again ladies!
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Woot! Yay! Sounds like your body is trying to get back to normal.
And you're not reading into it too much at all. They are most likely related. I get similar symptoms. On days right before peak day and especially peak day, my nose is very stuffy and runny. Like to the point where I want to take benadryl/sudafed. As soon as I ovulate, it goes away. And my mouth really does get a little drier feeling too. I constantly feel the need to drink water. It may also be that since AF is now imminent (it'll probably come in 6 days ... give or take), you're retaining more water weight. Either way, I notice the same thing.