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Death-Row Organ Donations
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42667886/ns/health-health_care/?GT1=43001
Anyone want to discuss this?
I feel like a man who wants to donate his organs should be allowed to donate his organs. Maybe that's just me.
Re: Death-Row Organ Donations
I agree that if he wants to donate his organs of his own free will, he should be allowed to.
However, I kind of think that it should be disclosed to the recipient that the organ came from an inmate. I personally wouldn't reject any organ that was available to me if I needed one, but I think some people mayb be opposed to be given an organ that came from someone on death row.
I'm certainly not proficient in medical science at all, but is it even safe to donate your organs after lethal injection?
This. I'm all for donating organs (I'm a donor myself) but I think who it came from should be disclosed, especially in circumstances like this.
Although if it was me, unless I desperately needed something in a life or death situation, taking an organ from an inmate would skeeve me out in some sort of Karmic way...
updated 10.03.12
Anyone read Change of Heart by Jodi Picoult? Basically discusses the same issue. Highly recommend.
I'm kind of unsure of where I stand. One of the main legal issues with this is that lethal uinjection essentially causes all of your organs to shut down, therefore making most donatable organs undonatable. You'd have to appeal for a different way to die.
If I or someone needed an organ, would I accept one from a death row inmate? Absolutely. I think organ donation is a very selfless thing to do, whether an offender or not.
I personally think this is a bad idea (bolded). I think organ donors should be kept as anonymous as possible aside from necessary medical details.
I think the issues come with a push for leniency for donors or some sort of advantage of the inmates for being a donor.
Zuma Zoom
That's a very good question.
See, I absolutely wouldn't want to know whose organ I had, whether that's a death row inmate or the deacon of his local church. Unless it was a family member/friend who donated, I'd rather keep that anonymous. The idea of knowing whose heart is in me would skeeve me out.
This is an interesting point. But lethal injection isn't painful, right? So it's not like they're trying to avoid that.
I still think willing inmates should be allowed to donate if they want. If I needed a major organ to save my life I'd certainly take it knowing it was from someone who was incarcerated.
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This. I don't think I could handle knowing. I'd likely have nightmares if I knew my organ came from an inmate.
Correct, lethal injection (if everything is done "right") is actually the least painful method of the death penalty that our counrty has ever had.
See, I think I would want to know, regardless of who it came from, because I would want to thank the family of the person that it came from.
If he wants to donate his organs - I say let him donate his organs.
I also would not want to know where the organs came from if I ever needed to receive a transplant.
And for those that posed the question of if its even safe/healthy for organs to be donated after lethal injection - I'd assume that they would find that out before ever allowing anyone to do this.
There was a case a few months back where a convict was donating an organ to her own sister and there was a debate on whether or not she should be released from prison because of the good deed she did. THAT is something I do NOT agree with.
Are you talking about the sisters that got a life sentence for armed robbery of $11?
I agree that people shouldn't be released for organ donations. I also think their sentence was wrong and too harsh.
Zuma Zoom
All I can think of is that B movie (was it Lawnmower Man?) where the guy gets a hand transplant from a murderer and he starts doing all sociopathic-type stuff.
Haha.
I have a couple of opinions on this.
#1) They should be able to donate, but their execution should not be moved up because they "match" someone on the needed organs list. I don't think anyone else mentioned this, but it would be risky for us and could lead to higher conviction rates as a society.
#2) I think I would take the organ of an inmate if I needed one- and I am an offender lover, but, if your alternative is death, I feel like the number of people who are going to say no, even knowing the source, is going to be low.
#3) I think it should be up to the person making the donation whether or not they want to be disclosed- who they are, incarceration status, etc.
I would want to know as the recipient who my organ came from.
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I don't remember what the crime was - but I'm assuming it was the same case.
If it was because of an armed robbery - I don't care how much money was taken - I don't see an issue with the sentencing. It seems harsh, yes. But laws are created for a reason....granted, I think we have a lot of issues with our justice system - but I think the topic of whether the sentence was right or wrong is a whole separate debate. haha
I still liked the story line. If I stopped reading books with inaccurate information about my field I'd have nothing left to read
I'm also pretty sure there is some drug in the cocktail for LI's that involves permanently paralyzing the lungs, to stop breathing. Along with the toxic whatever that causes cardiac arrest. So lungs would be out too. And since everything pretty much gets filtered thru your kidneys and liver, I'm not sure how usable those would be either, if they have to process those toxins (maybe not, I'm certainly no medical expert). But even still, there's no reason why like anything related to the eyes, skin, etc couldn't still be donated, even with lethal injection.
When I was 7, my cousin (aged 20) died waiting for a double lung transplant and I've been a donor since then (well, not legally, but my parents knew my wishes). So I think if an inmate wanted to donate his/her organs--and safely do so--then let them.
It would just be like any other person donating an organ...Paramedics and doctors don't treat you less efficiently because they know you're donating organs, so a DRI--when his/her time is up--would/should be treated with the same respect as any other corpse. As Mary said, they shouldn't bump an inmate to the front of the line because they are a match in the same respect that they don't randomly unhook life support from donors who are matches.
And in regards to knowing where my organ came from: I don't believe that an organ will affect your personality in any way, except maybe giving you a really high dose of optimism and hope, so I'd like to know where it came from. I'd completely send a letter to the family of the donor, thanking them for their miracle.
On the flip side, however, how neat would it be to say, "Hey, you remember that liver transplant I had? Yeah, well, it belonged to Ted Bundy!!" (or any other random, infamous person)
We'll agree to disagree. Police recently shot and killed a man on the BART in Oakland while he was laying face down, and didn't get charged at all.
Three teens knocking someone out with a gun and making off with $11, doesn't seem life sentence-worthy. I do 100% agree that they should have gotten time in prison. It was in the Mississippi, and their sentence seemed uncalled for.
Like you said, it is a separate debate.
Zuma Zoom
I do.
My cousin knew someone that had a transplant and afterward, there were a few things they began to take in interest in that they never had before. They were able to connect with the family of the donor and they found out that it was things that the donor was really passionate about. Not really sure if that story is true or not, but I believed it - and it's the reason I became a donor.
Not debating, just sharing my opinion, but I tend to think it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, y'know? Like if you believe in it you're more likely to experience it whether it's actual fact or not.
But, if that's the reason you became a donor, who am I to tell you otherwise?? Good for you!
HAHA - I wasn't thinking you were debating. I was just sharing my story. Granted - I heard this story when I was like 7...so, I was pretty gullible then - so, who knows. But anyway, yeah...haha
I'm in a pretty biitchy mood today, and just didn't want the typing to come off as snarky as I feel! So, no worries!
And neat that we both became donors at age 7.
To not accept organs from an inmate is to kill more than just that prisoner, they kill all the individuals who could be saved by their organs.
To me, that's the bottom line.