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NGLR : animal testing
Not sure if this is the forum to go to with this, but I figured it wouldn't hurt. And I don't intend to sound holier-than-thou, so please don't take it that way!
But are there any of you who specifically do not buy brands that are reported to test on animals? Or avoid buying brands that don't have a no-cruelty ban for their suppliers (you know, "this finished product is not tested on animals.... but that doesn't mean it's ingredients aren't...) I have PETA's list of the brands that do and do not TOA, but was wondering if anyone had any recs on men's personal care items. Do any of you buy cruelty-free for your SO?
Sorry, long and rambly....
Re: NGLR : animal testing
DH uses a locally made bar soap for the shower and Crystal deoderant. He claims to have tried every cruelty free shaving cream out there and none of them worked and refuses to stop using Head and Shoulders shampoo for ??. Don't get me started on the hairspray, though. He uses Rave and insists it's not tested on animals despite everything I've shown him to the contrary. It's ridiculous.
I've gotten him to eat meat that's humanely raised/slaughtered, and switch his soap, deodorant, toothpaste, cleaning products, etc. but he will not give up those few things. I've been using cruelty free products - which extends to no new leather, down, yarn unless I know the animal is humanly raised/sheared, etc. - for almost 15 years so this is definitely a sore spot between us.
Tired after a long morning of hiking and swimming.
Hairspray is your sore spot?
i think you're doing pretty good.
I don't buy any products that test on animals.
You could check out C.O Bigelow (some items sold at B&BodyWorks) but I'm not sure if they allow their suppliers to animal test. I know they themselves do not, but I don't really use their products so I'm not sure about their suppliers. They have tons of mens products.
Paul Mitchell is strictly cruelty-free and is endorsed by PETA as far as I know (they just have hair/grooming supplies, I believe.)
If you want to go the all-natural route as well, Toms of Maine is cruelty-free, but is owned by . . . Colgate? Proctor and Gamble? Not a cruelty-free parent brand, unfortunately, and their deodorants don't work well for me, and I'm a girl!
The company Lush has a good line of men's products, and are MOSTLY natural, with the exception of (unfortunately) parabens in few of their products. They are, however, EXTREMELY strict about their suppliers, and few companies champion animal rights and support as many green causes as Lush. They are also originally based out of the UK, where animal testing is theoretically illegal. Their US website is lushusa.com if you don't have a store near you.
The other company that comes to mind is Origins. They do not conduct animal testing, but you'd have to look into their suppliers. They have great products, though...a great marriage of science and natural products.
Hope that helps!
I find this very unsettling as well. However, I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is in the medical field, and is also a supporter of animal rights. She argued that the morality of this topic lies in what creates the lesser evil. For example, in cosmetic testing we are incredibly cruel to animals, because we are simply testing products that add to our self indulgence. It isn't necessary, and we aren't bettering our human condition in any way by doing so.
Medical testing, on the other hand, (she argues) is a lesser evil, because we are theoretically bettering the human condition (finding drugs that can save lives, investigating new treatments, etc) and is therefore something we need.
In otherwords, finding a moral ground is based on finding the ratio of pain caused to pain alleviated. It's better, for example, to test on rats rather than have another case of the Thalomid situation, in which 10,000 babies were either born with birth defects or killed.
I guess it's a tough question to answer! I don't know the answer myself.
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