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More no-kids stuff

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/the-no-kids-allowed-movement-is-spreading-2516110/

Sorry--I don't know how to make things clicky Embarrassed

The part about Whole Foods is the most surprising to me.  

Re: More no-kids stuff

  • Wow. Our WF even has a breastfeeding area so that is kind of weird.

    I find the "brat free" kind of funny, however, kids =/= brat. My kid isn't a brat. Nor will he be allowed to act like one in public. 

  • DH just mentioned this to me the other day.  We are TTC, so we have babies on the brain.  We both agree that there are certain restaurants where we wouldn't take our kids, mainly the $$$ ones...but some of the stuff being done is ridiculous.  It's one of those things that are a reaction to the kids where the parents don't care what they are doing, and I see that a lot, unfortunelty.
  • This was totally a Simpsons episode.

    On the one hand, I think it's yet another way to let parents off the hook for being responsible for their kids. My parents took us places when we were little, and we knew how to behave. And if we didn't behave, my parents reprimanded us and took us out of there.  But everyone is so afraid of a lawsuit or not being polite or whatever, that owners/managers aren't willing to even ask someone to remove a child if they're misbehaving and disturbing the other patrons.  Too many parents are willing to let their kids misbehave because they're a speshul snoflak or whatever.  I've seen it with my friends and their kids, and I find it maddening.

    I am not a kid-hater. I don't particularly want children, or want to be around them all the time, but I think there's a world of difference between a tired, strung-out parent who is clearly trying their best, and the ones who let their kids do whatever the heck they want all the time.  so yeah, I'd happily pay a surcharge for a kid-free movie, or stick to adults-only times at restaurants.

    Though frankly, I'd prefer it if they banned old people from the grocery store during certain hours - they annoy me there way more than the kids do.  Stick out tongue

  • imagecwbykitty:
    DH just mentioned this to me the other day.  We are TTC, so we have babies on the brain.  We both agree that there are certain restaurants where we wouldn't take our kids, mainly the $$$ ones...but some of the stuff being done is ridiculous.  It's one of those things that are a reaction to the kids where the parents don't care what they are doing, and I see that a lot, unfortunelty.

    DS is only 8 mo old but I have always been very mindful of where we take him. I don't take him anywhere now where he may disturb someone with his babbling or banging a hand on the table. I figure if we take him to a nicer restaurant he may be disturbing a couple who paid good money for a babysitter to get away from their kids. So our dinners out are the local pizza parlor, Moe's, mexican, or the order-at-the-counter BBQ joint. 

  • I love kids.  I do not love when parents let their children act like brats in restaurants.  A few weeks ago DH and I were at a local Italian place.  It isn't fancy (similar to Bertuccis) so totally fine to bring children to.  However this couple was sitting at the booth across from us with their two children ages approx 4 and 6/7ish.  The 4 year old whined loudly the ENTIRE time, and kept banging his hands on the table.  He whined about everything...he even whined directly to the waitress.  The parents just kept trying to talk over him.  Then the 6/7ish year old girl was sprawled across the bench with her feet hanging off KICKING the booth adjacent to them.  She actually was moving the booth with her kicking.  I thought she didn't realize it, but then I saw her see what she was doing.  She kept laughing and kicking more.  The people in that booth kept standing up to look over at the parents who did nothing.  It was so strange. 
  • imagecamedowncrushing:
    Highlight what you want to link, click the 3rd button to the left of the smiley face, and paste the link.
  • I have to admit that I didn't read the link, but...

    I'm ok with some places being adult-only. The grocery store? No.

    But I also do not believe that this "movement" is spreading enough for it to be something to be concerned about.

  • imageLadyExtravaganza:
    imagecamedowncrushing:
    Highlight what you want to link, click the 3rd button to the left of the smiley face, and paste the link.

     Thanks!

  • I love kids... I teach K-5, so I'm around children all day (well... during the school year...) Yesterday I was in Barnes and Noble and two children, no I'm going to say brats, were running through the very crowded store, yelling at each other and begging mommy to buy them everything under the sun. Mommy "reasoned" with the two 4-5 year olds, but that had very little effect. A few months ago SO and I went to a new family friendly restaurant in Back Bay. The seating had a shared banquet and then chairs for the other side of the tables. A young family was seated next to us. Mom and Dad had their attention glued to their i-phones taking pictures of the menu, the appetizers, the decor, their "cute kids" and anything else that was shiny and distracted them. Their children, who were bored and being ignored, were climbing all over the back of the banquet, kick and being really loud.

    In both cases, I was so frustrated by the parents. I know I'm not a parent, I get that I don't know, first hand, how difficult it must be to be a parent, but in situations like this, these adults were not "being parents" either. I work with children all day. In 14 years of teaching, I have rarely needed to raise my voice, and even with 22 six year olds, I still manage to keep them all in "control." 

    What I to often see, are parents that want to be their kids bff... and I'm sorry, but that's not your job as a parent. Sometimes your child will not like you. Sometimes your child will be angry at you. But children need expectations and rules. Children also need to be included in your lives. I can't imagine what a different dinning experience we would have had if the parents at that Back Bay restaurant had each taken a child on a side of the table... and had the kids look for things to take pictures of. Or even play a simple game of "I spy" (6 year olds love I spy!)

    Having read the article, I actually love what Whole Foods is offering. Give mommy and/or daddy an opportunity to go into the crowded grocery store and shop with out the distraction of little one possibly wreaking havoc. I have no problem with airlines banning kids from first class, and there are certain restaurants that just don't seem child appropriate. But ultimately we need to just banned poor parenting, not the innocent little munchins that are being broken by their distracted, well meaning but permissive parents. 

    Ok... I'll step down from my soap box now... : )

  • imageGinger Le Coeur:

    What I to often see, are parents that want to be their kids bff... and I'm sorry, but that's not your job as a parent. Sometimes your child will not like you. Sometimes your child will be angry at you. But children need expectations and rules. Children also need to be included in your lives. I can't imagine what a different dinning experience we would have had if the parents at that Back Bay restaurant had each taken a child on a side of the table... and had the kids look for things to take pictures of. Or even play a simple game of "I spy" (6 year olds love I spy!)

    Yes

    Although, I must say, if we fly with DS we will fly first class. We want the extra space, and it's cheaper that getting a 3rd ticket for him to have a seat.

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