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prop 8...
Are people voting yes on this proposition to keep marriage between a man and a woman? Or are they seriously trying to ban homosexuals from having the right to marry?
Someone enlighten me on this bad boy.
Re: prop 8...
I think it's both which saddens me. DH & I had a big discussion about Prop 8 just today. Two of our dearest friends are gay (they are not partners) and even though he loves them to pieces, he doesn't think they should marry. He feels that if we allow the same sex to marry then where do we draw the line with rules. His random thoughts are that if 2 men can marry, then what if someone wanted to marry their pet or their child - should they have that right too? Extreme, imo. ?I think we should allow same sex marriages.?With the divorce rate close to 50% -?It's not like they would be destroying the sanctity of marriage by doing so.
I am obviously voting no.?
Prop 8 says: Eliminates right of same-sex couples to marry. Initiative constitutional amendment.
So to me, if you vote yes, you are in fact banning same sex marriage. I think we can have a long philosophical discussion of what marriage means. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. Some believe marriage should be between man and woman only. Some people believe otherwise. Same goes for abortion. My problem is why discriminate against homosexuals by making it a constitutional amendment? The courts then can challenge it by saying it's unconstitutional to discriminate against homosexuals and I just don't see the point of it. As you can guess, I'm voting No. Insominac seems very active with this Prop and would probably be a better source. What I cited is from my brain, didn't come from any article or organization. I think with anything, people should consider both arguments before making their decision. That's just what I think. I don't feel I'm in the position to tell a person whether they can get married or not nor tell them they can't get an abortion.
I'm voting No on Prop 8 (and working 10+ hours a week on the campaign and donating money) because 41 years ago, as someone in an interracial relationship, I couldn't legally marry Mr. Insomniac in the state of Virginia. It took "activist judges" on the Supreme Court to make the decision that no state could make interracial marriages illegal.
Because the CA Supreme Court ruled in May that same-sex couples were eligible for marriage and all the rights pertaining to it, a Yes vote on Prop 8 will be effectively taking those rights away. A Yes vote isn't going to make same-sex relationships vanish. Couples are still going to be together, have children, etc. It's just going to make those couples have less rights and protections than heterosexual couples.
Marriage is a religious institution, but it's also a civil one and the mere act of getting married automatically affords over a thousand federal rights and various state rights that simply aren't covered with domestic partnerships. Things like the FMLA, family benefits through social security, tax benefits, bringing international spouses to America, etc. As a straight couple you get these. As a gay couple you don't.
Regardless of whether you support the idea of same-sex marriage, I believe that it is morally wrong to single out a group of people in the constitution treat them unfairly and as second-class citizens. I've always thought of Constitutions as places to safeguard and protect individual rights, not to remove them.
I will be voting No on Prop 8 and urging people to join me. If you're interested in more information, please email me at nest.insomniac at gmail dot com.I am voting to keep marriage between a man and a woman.
Brandi - I see where your DH is coming from, I know it sounds extreme but seriously, It can come to that.?
Voting no on prop 8. ...book closed...
Phew, one down...and several more to go:)
We are voting "NO". I don't feel I have the right to stop people from doing what they beleive is right. For religious regions I do beleive a marriage is between a man and a women, but this world is so different in that sense that I was not put here to judge the next and therefore I won't.
We are IN a world of change and like it was stated before interracial marriages were not allowed at one time and we broke that barrier and thank god, beceause I'm in one. The world comes with changes and these changes can range from the openess in the way we talk about sex now to plastic surgery. Back in the days sex was a forbidden conversation and plastic surgery was a myth, should we have a right to vote over what conversations people have and what they do with their body. I mention this only because I beleive it falls in the same lines of telling someone who they can and can't marry. Freedom of Religion is something this country honors so who are we to judge.
I'm voting NO.
I think its a really bad argument to say marriage should be between a man and a woman only. How does that "protect" marriage at all? I know of people who have been married 5-6 times. That doesn't seem like they are protecting the sacred bond of marriage.
This is a bad way to put it, using an extreme, I understand, but people who have murdered, molested, raped, robbed, etc. can get married if its to the opposite sex but two men/women who have been in a relationship for 10 years and have been upstanding citizens can't? Its not about our sexes, its about equal rights. If you allow a murderer to get married (multiple times if they want), why can't you allow 2 gay people?
-K
You are correct, a Yes is keeping it between man and woman, a No vote lets same sexes marry. I think the way it's worded can be confusing to some.
One misconception that many people have are that if you vote yes it will force teachers to teach same sex marriages in schools. We had a big discussion about this in our teacher lounge today and I was shocked that people thought this. It clearly states in the prop that marriage values can never be taught in public schools, just like religion. So if you are a parent, please know that I and no other public school teacher will NOT be preaching marriage to your children. In private schools they obviliously teach their beliefs. I personally am voting no because I believe in equality and seperation between church and state. I am a Christian but I don't believe I have the right to press my views of marriage on others. What right do I have to judge who wants to marry? I like to joke and vote to let same sexes be as miserable as the rest of us
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What about transexuals? If a post op transexual female wanted to marry a male, would that be illegal? Does the state recognize the transexual as the new gender? I always wondered about that.
So as I understand it, you can get married in another state, but if Prop 8 passes, then the marriage would not be recognized here in CA?
Also for those of you who are saying you are voting Yes for religious purposes, explain that to me. I thought the bible teaches to love thy neighbor. Also how do you feel about civil unions for same sex couples with all the rights that come with marriage.
Also I think it's pretty much been established that marriage is no longer sacred as evidenced by divorce rates.
I don't know about how the law would apply to transsexuals; DH and I were just discussing that one / wondering about it last night.
I am a yes on 8 girl, so I'll try to answer your questions about my point of view. I know that many feel differently.
Yes, the Bible does teach to love thy neighbor, but it also takes it one step further and says not to love their sin. And this is where I think people become divided on prop 8. To me, it's about if you believe it is right or wrong. I believe that God made us to be together as man and woman. Notice that our body parts were made to work with each other / you cannot procreate just as woman and woman or man and man. You must bring in another factor.
I do not dislike gay people, I just don't agree with their choice. Some would say they still should get to make a choice. However, I think the line needs to be drawn that this goes against what we are intended to be as humans. Laws are there to set boundaries, and I believe in this boundary.
I do agree that marriage is not treated with the sacredness it deserves. I do believe that when you get married you are saying you are committing to be with that one person and that one person only until death do you part. Yes, marriage as a whole these days is in shambles, and I think more needs to be done about it. However, that does not justify saying 'well were already so far off base, what's one more issue.'
This is not a religious issue. Religion has no place in the law.
If you are religious and believe in the "sanctity" of marriage between a man and a woman, that's beautiful. That's your right.
But it is not your right to impose your beliefs onto others and to effect law that treats others unfairly.
Whether a gay couple can procreate has no bearing on whether they are worthy of all the legal rights and privileges that straight couples are afforded. Being gay is not a choice. One cannot choose to be gay any more than one can choose to be black or white.?
All people should be treated equally, regardless of sexual orientation.?To legislate otherwise is judgmental, small-minded, and wrong.?
So, does someone with a birth defect or disablity not deserve to marry? They are not technically what we "are intended to be as humans." (Please know that I am NOT comparing homosexuality to a defect, using it to point out the flaw in this argument.)