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Occupy Jacksonville *wink*
http://www.flogfolioweekly.com/?p=4000
Occupy Jacksonville will join demonstrations in cities around the country on Oct. 15, in solidarity with the protests of Occupy Wall Street.
Although their demands are vague, the thousands of demonstrators who?ve camped out in NYC?s financial district since Sept. 17 are in general agreement about Wall Street?s ?too big to fail? firms exploiting the economy (whether it?s booming or busted), screwing everyone else and subverting the political system to their own ends.
Occupy Jacksonville will hold a General Assembly meeting beginning at noon on Saturday, Oct. 8, in Hemming Plaza, located across the street from Jacksonville City Hall, 117 W. Duval St. At least some protesters plan to camp overnight in the downtown park. The group plans to prepare for the Oct. 15 demonstration.
There?s lots of information about Occupy Jacksonville and the growing protests in other cities online. There?s a discussion forum at occupyjax.forumotion.com , general information on the protests internationally at OccupyTogether.org. with links to Occupy Puerto Rico, Occupy the London Stock Exchange, OccupyjaxFl, Occupy Europe. You get the idea.
Rolling Stone contributing editor Matt Taibbi, who reamed Jacksonville?s foreclosure courts as a machine that separated homeowners from their house, said this about the growing protests on Current TV?s Countdown with Keith Olbermann:
?The movement is growing organically, because people know there?s something to protest now.?
Click here to watch video of the interview on the Rolling Stone website.
? Susan Eastman
Re: Occupy Jacksonville *wink*
I thought this summed it up nicely.
Although their demands are vague, the thousands of demonstrators who?ve camped out in NYC?s financial district since Sept. 17 are in general agreement about Wall Street?s ?too big to fail? firms exploiting the economy (whether it?s booming or busted), screwing everyone else and subverting the political system to their own ends.
What's the point? What is it accomplishing? And if it is to make a statement to big business, wouldn't it make more sense to do it when people were actually at work?
What does any protest or rally accomplish? Visibility for a cause, discontent in hopes of changes coming down. This actually started on Wall Street on Sept. 17 and there have been people camped out there since then. The movement is now spreading and its even gotten to Jacksonville. I think that's pretty cool.
I've been following the occupy wall street protests. And I am all about protesting for causes and raising awareness, and I agree that it's cool that Jacksonville is getting involved. I guess my issue is that it's TOO vague to be effective even if Wall Street cared. Does Wall Street not know it's taking advantage of people? Or that they don't like it? Doubtful. And what's the end-point? We'd like you to suck less, pretty please? Idk. I feel like if you're going to attempt to take hostages, you need to know that you want a fully gassed plane and a crew at the airport... otherwise you just look like you wanted to be on TV.
I know there has been talk of actually coming up with an "agenda," and I think at that point I could get behind it more. But for now it doesn't do it for me.
When you have a grass roots movement that is unsure of how to change things and doesn't have a centralized leader, you're going to have a vague, seemingly ineffectual movement at first. The point is, it's gaining steam and more people are actually getting involved and giving their opinion rather than just sitting home complaining about the state of "too big too fail" and our economy. The tea party had the same criticism about it, e.g. no leader, lack of focus, yet they were able to turn the tide, get supporters elected and have actual changes coming about in the gov't that serve their vague-ish ideals. Why not this?
And I think you're naive if you think this is to be visible to Wall Street alone. Politicians are watching too...the rest of the world is watching. Occupy Wall Street is even going international. People are fed up with the status quo and they're finally either coming to that realization or to the point where they feel something really needs to be done. I'm all for it as of now.
I guess that's my point, is that I don't really see the group organizing and getting anything accomplished. Maybe they'll surprise me. *shrug*
I get that it's not just Wall Street.. I just personally don't think Washington gives a crap either. And my worry is that this will crumble in on itself and disappear, and the rest of the world will think, "oh, that was great.. ...".
ETA: I do think it's worth keeping an eye on, and I think the media coverage of it has been way too late in getting started.. I'm just not going to join a protest without clear goal. I need a "What do we want!? _______" chant to yell in my megaphone. May be closed-minded, but that's just I need.
Here's how you can help it not crumble and disappear - get involved.
Washington cares about getting elected. If enough people get involved with or show support for a cause (ETA a cause or general state of dissatisfaction), they'll notice and they'll notice regardless of location.
Like I said, I can't get involved with something that has no concrete goal. I'm not going to stand in a mass of people, and then next week find out they rally around some crazy person who is fighting for something totally against what I believe/want.
I completely agree that things need to change. I just don't think that this is the best way to do it. And I can't support the "well at least they're doing something" mentality. That's not enough for me.
And I don't think that Washington needs to care to get reelected.. and I think they know that.
lol, and that's fine! I'm not saying it's a BAD thing. I'm just doing my best to explain why I personally wouldn't be involved with it at this point. You support getting involved and seeing where it goes, and that's great -- movements don't happen without people willing to do that. I'd rather see where it wants to go before I get involved. With a world full of people like me, there might not be any movements or progress, and I get that. But it doesn't change how I feel.
This has come a long way from just dismissing it as silly, so I'm glad for that.