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wait, this has to be spelled out for people?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/06/prosecutor-to-parents-mailing-chickenpox-illegal/

I remember when I was little parents joking about taking their kids around other kids who had chicken pox so they could get it over with, but this is totally nuts!

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  • Yikes! This is way worse than "Pox Parties". Why would anyone really want their children to get chicken pox instead of vaccinating? I really really don't understand.
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  • I'd rather DS have to disease than get the vax, but I'd never suggest someone mail me a virus. Eww! 

    I'm undecided on Pox Parties. I'm not against them I just don't think I'd participate.  

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    I'd rather DS have to disease than get the vax, but I'd never suggest someone mail me a virus. Eww! 

    I'm undecided on Pox Parties. I'm not against them I just don't think I'd participate.  

    I'm sincerely curious about the decision to not vax; do you mind sharing?

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  • This reminds me of something my SIL would do. She is extremely opposed to vaccinating. Because of this among a couple other reasons she's chose to home school. Her and most of the family don't see eye to eye on many things.
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  • Wtf? How does this sound even remotely like a good idea.  People are nuts.  I guess their parents never taught them not to take candy from strangers.
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    Yikes! This is way worse than "Pox Parties". Why would anyone really want their children to get chicken pox instead of vaccinating? I really really don't understand.
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  • imageKCD053109:
    imagemeltoine:

    I'd rather DS have to disease than get the vax, but I'd never suggest someone mail me a virus. Eww! 

    I'm undecided on Pox Parties. I'm not against them I just don't think I'd participate.  

    I'm sincerely curious about the decision to not vax; do you mind sharing?

    We are giving DS most of his vaccines, but there are a few that I either don't think are necessary, haven't been researched well enough, or for which I think the risk of the vax is lower than the risk of the disease. 

    For chicken pox in particular, just as many kids develop complications from the vax as from the disease, and the disease confers better immunity later in life. You are more likely to get chicken pox if you get the vax than you are to get it again if you get the disease. Yes it sucks for a couple of days, but I believe it's better long-term.

    For diseases that are more serious (small pox, polio, pertussis, etc) we are absolutely vaccinating.  

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  • imagemeltoine:
    imageKCD053109:
    imagemeltoine:

    I'd rather DS have to disease than get the vax, but I'd never suggest someone mail me a virus. Eww! 

    I'm undecided on Pox Parties. I'm not against them I just don't think I'd participate.  

    I'm sincerely curious about the decision to not vax; do you mind sharing?

    We are giving DS most of his vaccines, but there are a few that I either don't think are necessary, haven't been researched well enough, or for which I think the risk of the vax is lower than the risk of the disease. 

    For chicken pox in particular, just as many kids develop complications from the vax as from the disease, and the disease confers better immunity later in life. You are more likely to get chicken pox if you get the vax than you are to get it again if you get the disease. Yes it sucks for a couple of days, but I believe it's better long-term.

    For diseases that are more serious (small pox, polio, pertussis, etc) we are absolutely vaccinating.  

    Did not know that. Interesting. FTR, I did vax L for chicken pox - my concern was in preventing it, or if she did get it, that it would be a milder strain. Not to mention I, myself, have never had CP and do not have the antibodies to protect myself against it. I'm still on the fence about vaccinating myself against it as I've read (from material provided by the local health dept.) that adults are far more likely to have adverse reactions to the vax than were children.

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    imageKCD053109:
    Yikes! This is way worse than "Pox Parties". Why would anyone really want their children to get chicken pox instead of vaccinating? I really really don't understand.
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    Haha! Thanks for the giggle; I know far too many people that truly believe that.

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  • imageKCD053109:
    Yikes! This is way worse than "Pox Parties". Why would anyone really want their children to get chicken pox instead of vaccinating? I really really don't understand.

    The varicella vaccine is one of the least effective out there. For this reason, kids keep getting boosters but it is unknown how truly effective they are.  I have 2 daughters.  I would rather they got natural chicken pox which will almost surely give them lifelong immunity which the vaccine does not do.  The reason I think it's important is that chicken pox can be deadly to a fetus.  So if my dds get chicken pox while pregnant (since the vaccine will probably not give them lifelong immunity), it could hurt their babies. 

    The fact is that chicken pox is more of a nuisance disease rather than being one that is likely cause harm (yes, there are seriously cases of chicken pox but they are rare and no vaccine is 100% safe; that's why we have the VAERS database and we compensate parents of vaccine-damaged children).    The vaccine was developed so parents wouldn't have to miss 2 weeks of work caring for a child with chicken pox.

    Finally, the vaccine gives kids a mild version of the disease.  This may set them up for terrible cases of shingles.  The severity of shingles is typically inverse to the severity of chicken pox, i.e. if you have a mild case of chicken pox as a child, you are more likely to get a severe case of shingles as an adult which is a much more serious disease.

    That all being said, I do vax my children but I skip this one and I wouldn't mail chicken pox laden food either....

     

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  • imagemeltoine:

    For chicken pox in particular, just as many kids develop complications from the vax as from the disease, and the disease confers better immunity later in life. You are more likely to get chicken pox if you get the vax than you are to get it again if you get the disease. Yes it sucks for a couple of days, but I believe it's better long-term.

    I have also heard (I have no sources right now to back them up) that the vax might only cover you for ten years, and you are also potentially more likely to develop shingles as an adult if you had the vax vs the disease. (you are also more likely to get shingles if you only ever had a mild case of cp...)

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  • When I got chicken pox, my mom made my sister and I sleep in the same bed and drink from the same glass. My mom's best friend brought her kids over so they could get the chicken pox from me as well. I feel used.
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    imageKCD053109:
    imagemeltoine:

    I'd rather DS have to disease than get the vax, but I'd never suggest someone mail me a virus. Eww! 

    I'm undecided on Pox Parties. I'm not against them I just don't think I'd participate.  

    I'm sincerely curious about the decision to not vax; do you mind sharing?

    We are giving DS most of his vaccines, but there are a few that I either don't think are necessary, haven't been researched well enough, or for which I think the risk of the vax is lower than the risk of the disease. 

    For chicken pox in particular, just as many kids develop complications from the vax as from the disease, and the disease confers better immunity later in life. You are more likely to get chicken pox if you get the vax than you are to get it again if you get the disease. Yes it sucks for a couple of days, but I believe it's better long-term.

    For diseases that are more serious (small pox, polio, pertussis, etc) we are absolutely vaccinating.  

    Thanks to chicken pox, I have an auto immune disease that causes extreme pain in my joints, an irregular heart beat, issues with my eyes and will eventually cause my arteries to harden.  I sure wish I had been able to have the vaccine when I was a kid. 

    Chicken pox can also cause pnuemonia, shingles later in life, encephilitis, lung disease and other issues.  People who have had severe cases of chicken pox are more likely to be diagnosed with rhuematoid arthritis as adults.  The majority of cases of juvenile onset RA had severe cases of chicken pox at some point. 

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    I have also heard (I have no sources right now to back them up) that the vax might only cover you for ten years, and you are also potentially more likely to develop shingles as an adult if you had the vax vs the disease. (you are also more likely to get shingles if you only ever had a mild case of cp...)

    This is absolutely incorrect! The vaccination also vaccinates against shingles. If you decide to not vaccinate and let your child get chicken pox, they will not be protected from shingles. I'm a nurse and we just had a discussion about how much more beneficial the vaccine is than the disease last week.

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    The varicella vaccine is one of the least effective out there. For this reason, kids keep getting boosters but it is unknown how truly effective they are.  I have 2 daughters.  I would rather they got natural chicken pox which will almost surely give them lifelong immunity which the vaccine does not do. 

    We recently discovered I am some sort of freak of nature. I have medical records (in addition to my parents's memories) stating that I had the chicken pox not once, but twice as a child. And yet, when I had a blood screening done this summer I was negative for the varicella anti-body. So I have had it twice and now have been vaccinated against it as well, and was told I probably should keep getting checked for the anitbody every 5-7 years to maintain my immunity. Yay me!!

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    imagerbytsdy:

    The varicella vaccine is one of the least effective out there. For this reason, kids keep getting boosters but it is unknown how truly effective they are.  I have 2 daughters.  I would rather they got natural chicken pox which will almost surely give them lifelong immunity which the vaccine does not do. 

    We recently discovered I am some sort of freak of nature. I have medical records (in addition to my parents's memories) stating that I had the chicken pox not once, but twice as a child. And yet, when I had a blood screening done this summer I was negative for the varicella anti-body. So I have had it twice and now have been vaccinated against it as well, and was told I probably should keep getting checked for the anitbody every 5-7 years to maintain my immunity. Yay me!!

    That's crazy! I know my BIL is an actual carrier of CP; not really sure what that means but I thought it sounded unusual.

    Having received the vaccine as an adult; how did you do with it? Would you recommend other adults without the antibody to receive the vaccine?

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    That's crazy! I know my BIL is an actual carrier of CP; not really sure what that means but I thought it sounded unusual.

    Having received the vaccine as an adult; how did you do with it? Would you recommend other adults without the antibody to receive the vaccine?

    The injection spot was a little sore, but for me that's normal with any shot, and I had a minor headache the day after receiving it and the booster. I personally didn't suffer any other side effects. The logic that convinced me was that if the kiddo brought it home, and I caught it (again) I could be in trouble. I decided I'd rather be safe than sorry.

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