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Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier out
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Re: Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier out
Cinnabun and Junebug say, "Go Wildcats!"
I would've been surprised if he lasted the rest of the season.
So much more is going to come out over the next few weeks that it could get even more insane than it is now. Good gracious.
I totally agree. DH works in college athletics and while he understands the reverence that sports and many coaches enjoy, he also feels that at times that too much is done to protect coaches when issues like this arise.
I asked DH what he would have done if one of his coaches approached him about something like this. He said that going to the AD was the right first step - that the senior administration needs to be alerted to the situation and that they would then have the next step to alert the university's legal counsel and authorities and move forward. I then asked him, "What if they chose to cover it up?" And he said that he would then go to the police if they didn't address it quickly enough (like, within hours or days) then he wouldn't care if he got fired - because certain things you just don't beat around the bush.
I guess the word is that the GA (graduate assistant) who was witness to the situation won't get a job anywhere else - that Penn State is it. No one else will want to hire him. Of course, this is gossip running through the industry mill, but still.
While I don't agree with anything that happened and agree that JoePa could've done more, I'm devastated by this. JoePa was robbed of being able to hold his otherwise perfect legacy together. Do I believe he made a mistake? Yes. Did he complete his minimal legal requirement and essentially do the right thing? Yes.
The media failed here. 110%.
The falling of an icon sells more papers. Honestly, when's the last time you saw an article dedicated to Jerry Sandusky in all of this?
Do I think that JoePa should've stepped down after the Nebraska game this weekend? Yes. But, they robbed him of that.
How does Graham Spanier (the president who's legal responsibility IS to report it to the police) get to step down, and Paterno doesn't?
Ridiculous.
I suspect that "stepping down" was more like a forceful resignation.
I also suspect that firing Paterno in the manner that they did is a way to signal to the non-Penn State world that Paterno does not wield more power than the Board of Trustees - there was some talk that Paterno was arguably THE most powerful man on campus and by firing him and allowing Spanier to "step down" was sending a signal that no, he was not.
You failed to mention that JoePa, you know, the guy with the most influence, robbed the VICTIMS of an end to their abuse.
And yet, the Board of Trustees acknowledged that they, "did what they felt needed to be done <b>without having all the facts</b>."
It's easier to say all of this in hindsight. Obviously, he wishes he did more. What happened to those children is horrible and Sandusky will pay for it, but there is no proof of what Joe did or did not willingly do or know. So much for innocent until proven guilty.
How does Curly (the guy who ACTUALLY covered it up) and McQueary (the initial guy who saw the actions by Sandusky and reported it to JoePa and not police) still have jobs?
His perfect legacy? You mean his legacy of holding himself to a higher moral standard? Oh, no. You must be talking about his perfect legacy in terms of football--which we all know if far more important than protecting children from a predititor.
He knew something inappropriate was going on yet continued to let Sandusky play a role. What kind of moral standard is that?
And furthermore, he robbed himself of the opportunity to step down, which he should have done immediately.
I turned on the press conference unwittingly yesterday just as they made the Paterno announcement. The first question from the press literally almost made me vomit: "Who is going to coach Saturday's game?"
Yes, because that is the most important thing. JFC.
And y'all it is a FACT that Paterno knew about the allegations of abuse and that Sandusky was a child molester, and that is ENOUGH. Paterno destroyed his own legacy, he and he alone by burying his head in the sand. His legacy means NOTHING, HIS PRAYERS FOR THE VICTIMS ARE TOO LATE and he did this to himself.
That's it. I'm sorry you've lost a hero, but you have to deal with the truth about Joe Paterno.
Yeah that's right my name's Yauch!
Really? Because that is exactly how this reads to me. You actually are calling this a "slip-up"?
And I don't think anyone is forgetting about Sandusky in this. Or anyone else involved in the coverup and in allowing a child preditior to remain on the prowl for a decade. And JoPa spending his "legacy" holding himself up as a role model and claiming he holds himself to a higher standard, oh hell yeah people are shining the spotlight on him--he deserves it and he put himself in that position.
But that anyone would consider this as a "slip-up", sick. Freaking disgusting.
These are just hypotheticals, but some points to ponder -
1) The AD - Curly - has taken a "leave of absence" - that being said, and knowing how white-hot that spotlight can be, I wonder if maybe he tried to do something and the president said not to? I don't know, that's just a hypothetical. He'll probably be out of a job soon.
2) McQueary probably won't get a job anywhere else. And who knows, maybe he tried to elevate the issue too and was told "if you want to keep coaching you keep this quiet." Who knows. Sadly some programs and people will operate that way. If it was found that he was told that, maybe he'll find another job. I doubt it.
3) Paterno was just to f'ing old. I wonder if he just heard what he wanted to heard and thought it would go away. For chrissake, the guy was in his what, 70s? That doesn't make it okay, but it does call into sense that maybe he was just too out of touch with the non-Penn State world to see how much this could blow up.
This is not a "slip-up" - Jim Tressel had a "slip-up" when he failed to notify NCAA and his university's compliance department of rules violations. No one got assaulted or violated in those cases.
This is a big f'ing nightmare from both a moral standpoint and a PR standpoint.
Thanks for calling my 74 year old mother too stupid to recognize child molestation?
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Yeah that's right my name's Yauch!
Not your grandmother. Paterno.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state
Paterno recalls McQueary "vaguely" referencing "fondling" or "touching" or "horsing around" by Sandusky and a youth. But Paterno never had the understanding that McQueary had witnessed a "sodomy" or "rape."
In any case, Paterno had long been criticized of being kind of "deaf" outside of Happy Valley and I think that so long as the world in and around Penn State was fine, so was he and his program.
So true! I was quite disturbed last night to see the Penn State protesters rioting & cheering for JoePa & wondered what the real victims in all of this must be feeling.
For those interested, I thought this was well written:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/10/dont-be-enabler-when-child-is-abused-heres-what-to-do/#ixzz1dKdiAIJi
"Yes, we all know about your 61-year career at Penn State. But when you allow children to be victimized right under your nose, you wipe out 61 years of achievement. The Jerry Sandusky scandal is your legacy now."
I'm glad that someone with your level of reading comprehension has so much to say on this subject.
Yeah that's right my name's Yauch!
Everyone connected to this incident needs to be fired. We're not talking about turning the other cheek when a kid gets a car from a local booster, or a mansion he "rents" while in college, or exchanges signed memorabilia for tattoos.
The Graduate Assistant walked in on an old man anally raping a child he estimated to be ten years old. Read the grand jury report. There's no ambiguity there. A naked child, hands against the wall in the shower being raped from behind. Sorry it's disturbing, but that's the truth. No one called the police. No one. Not one of those adults called the police. And the child predator was free to victimize children for 9 more years.
I personally feel that the Grad Assistant should be criminally prosecuted. He was a 28 year old man who walked in on a child being raped. And he turned around and left. And called his daddy. And then had a "meeting" with Joe Paterno the next day. What a chickensh!t.
Legacies? A bunch of cowards who felt the institution deserved more protection than an innocent kid.
maybe. did he complete his minimum MORAL requirement as a human being? no, absolutely not.
my opinion is that if you know something like this is going on and you DON'T report it to the authorities, you are considered complacent and an accomplice. this goes for the GA, JoePa, the president, and anyone else who had knowledge.
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This.