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Charm City Puppies--what would you do?

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Re: Charm City Puppies--what would you do?

  • imageMrsNDM:
    About two months ago when we got word about this place a bunch of us from BARCS contacted the owner, as well as the landlord, and the HoCo health commissioner who overseas the permitting for these places. I will look for the emails if I still have them, they were on my old Best Friends email, but they're (the owners) very much of the opinion "our S doesn't stink, deal with it". In regards to the 12,000 animals we get in every year and this store adding to that number it was a "not our problem" response. It was all infuriating. I hate Today's Pet but they'll at least give a professional response...

    If you are interested in protesting this pet store and others that sell pets, like Jericho the Phoenix's page on FB.  Everyong is "meeting" there and it's where information will be given out.  Also, to the person who commented that they approached the store owners and were given attitude, I'm sure the person organizing the protest would love to hear from you.  Please contact her via the FB page listed above.  Thanks.

     

  • I completely understand where you are coming from...I am an animal lover and I 100% believe in adopting or rescuing animals instead of buying them from a pet store. I personally would never buy an animal from a pet store and I honestly do not even go into them because it makes me so sad to see them in cages. However, I know the people who opened Charm City Puppies and they are good, kind people. I understand why you would not want to see another puppy store go up in your community but to insinuate that they are buying these dogs from a puppy mill is absurd. Regardless of what you think or if you plan on taking action against them, these people opened this store because they love animals and wanted to make a living while doing something that they have a passion for. I know for a fact that the animals in their store will be cared for and loved. So if it will make you feel better to liberate these animals from their miserable lives at Charm City Puppies, please keep in mind that in doing so you are ruining the lives of two people who worked very hard to create that business.

  • imageLeonardoDaVinci:

    IHowever, I know the people who opened Charm City Puppies and they are good, kind people. I understand why you would not want to see another puppy store go up in your community but to insinuate that they are buying these dogs from a puppy mill is absurd. 

    Then where are they getting the dogs?  Let them post the USDA license numbers and names of the "breeders" where they are getting the dogs.  Ask them if the parents are champions, what their names are, and what genetic/physical tests have been done on the parents and grandparents.  And then if they can provide and verify all that info and show that there are reputable breeders out there that will sell their dogs at rock-bottom prices to pet stores, I'll apologize for my misperceptions.  But they can't and won't provide the information because then people would know that the puppies aren't coming from warm fuzzy homes instead of cages filled with dogs and covered with feces.   

    Puppy mills ARE breeders - completely irresponsible and abusive breeders who breed dogs for profits and not for the improvement of the breed.  Reputable breeder = someone who shows dogs, has champions, breeds those champions, and tries to eliminate the horrible genetic issues that plague dog breeds because backyard breeders and puppymills breed dogs indiscriminately and don't care that their dogs have hip dysplasia or heart problems.  A reputable breeder will take back their dogs instead of letting them go to the shelter because they care about the welfare of the dog.  Puppy mills will not take back their "products" if you can't take care of them - they don't care that people buy their dogs and then dump them in shelters to be euthanized.  They profit from this because those same people will buy another dog AND they don't have to pay to euthanize (or shoot) the puppies that don't sell or are dumped - the taxpayers pay for it via the shelters.        

    Also, if they love animals and want to make a business out of doing something they love, there are many other ways to do that instead of selling animals that are born in horrible abusive conditions to mothers (and fathers, but mostly females) who breed and breed for their whole lives

    in a tiny cage

    in their own filth

    on wire floors that hurt their feet because when they aren't let outside to poop/pee, the feces and urine have to be able to fall through the floor into the lower cages and then eventually onto the ground

    no medical care

    no testing for genetic issues.  

    Pet stores create a huge demand for CHEAP wholesale puppies to sell at a HUGE markup (so the customer pays $$$) - you can't have cheap puppies if you responsibly breed health-tested champions, provide proper medical care and grooming, get the dogs consistently judged on conformation/health/temperament, and only breed females a few times in their lifetime.  

    There are plenty of people who run great pet supply stores (that don't sell puppies/kittens), run grooming business, petsitting, work with rescues, etc.  "It's their passion" is not a justification to buy dogs wholesale from abusive situations.  If people saw the mothers from the puppy mill with matted fur, covered in feces, rotted teeth, all kinds of GYN problems from breeding constantly, would people buy their puppies?  I'm pretty sure that people would realize that they are getting ripped off and the same puppies will be at the shelter in a few months. 

    http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/  

    http://www.happywoofdogtraining.com/2011/12/13/puppy-mills-christmas-puppies-responsible-decisions/ 

  • imageLeonardoDaVinci:

    So if it will make you feel better to liberate these animals from their miserable lives at Charm City Puppies, please keep in mind that in doing so you are ruining the lives of two people who worked very hard to create that business.

    It would make me feel just as good as when sex slaves are liberated from their pimps, who worked very hard to create that business.  Or when Michael Vick's abused dogs were liberated from his dogfighting business, that he worked very hard to create.  


  • OP - As part of your letter to your city council and newspapers, make sure you emphasize that the dogs surrendered to the shelter, supported by the city, and then euthanized at the cost of the taxpayers are coming from pet stores/puppy mills/backyard breeders.  You could suggest that the shelter start asking where the surrendered pets were purchased/obtained - tracking that information would be very eye-opening, I imagine.  Then the city could see the true cost of allowing businesses like this to operate.
  • imagefanceyemmy:
    People with pure bred dogs would never let them roam the neighborhoods to be impregnated by other mutts anyways. Different worlds create and have to deal with different problems. 

    Nope, the purebred dogs (with all sorts of genetic and health issues) are safely locked in tiny cages to be impregnated by other purebred dogs (with all sorts of genetic and health issues).  No chance of being impregnated by other mutts when the dogs are never allowed outside of the cage.

  • imageLeonardoDaVinci:

    I completely understand where you are coming from...I am an animal lover and I 100% believe in adopting or rescuing animals instead of buying them from a pet store. I personally would never buy an animal from a pet store and I honestly do not even go into them because it makes me so sad to see them in cages. However, I know the people who opened Charm City Puppies and they are good, kind people. I understand why you would not want to see another puppy store go up in your community but to insinuate that they are buying these dogs from a puppy mill is absurd. Regardless of what you think or if you plan on taking action against them, these people opened this store because they love animals and wanted to make a living while doing something that they have a passion for. I know for a fact that the animals in their store will be cared for and loved. So if it will make you feel better to liberate these animals from their miserable lives at Charm City Puppies, please keep in mind that in doing so you are ruining the lives of two people who worked very hard to create that business.

    No reputable breeder will sell their puppies through a pet store. Period. That is a fact.

    Someone needs to please explain to me why that is so hard to understand.  I'm not writing it in a foreign language. It's right there in plain English and it is true. 

    Even if they are getting the puppies from BYB (who generally mean well, but are still contributing to the overpopulation issue), and even if the owners are the most amazing people in the world, what they are doing is ridiculous and hurting the animal population that they claim to be so passionate about.

    If they want to open a pet supply store and help the animal community, they can have adoptable dogs in the shop. They are choosing to sell puppies that don't come from reputable breeders. How do I know they don't come from reputable breeders? Say it with me: Reputable breeders do not sell their dogs through pet stores.

    They might be the most well meaning people in the world--but at this point, they are still part of the problem. If you're really friends with them, I would try to explain this to them. It's not to late for them to switch to adoptable dogs instead of BYB dogs.  

  • imagefanceyemmy:
    You have to be kidding. Have you BEEN to the store? Have you TALKED to the owner? You HAVE to know that there will ALWAYS be a want for pure-bred dogs. I just came from there and went to look for their website to spread the word on what an amazing place it was, and found your post in the google search. Did you know that they they post-poned their Grand Opening because they found out a couple puppies did NOT come from blue-ribbon, local breeders?? Yeah. The sad thing is that I had seen their website one night after they were closed and I was in the area, but that has since been taken down because of people like you all on this thread! Can't stand high class people having nice things, can ya? Jealousy creates such hatred these days...

    And there are plenty of purebred dogs that are carefully bred to avoid genetic problems, are champions of their breed (assessed in dog shows), and are bred only a few times if that because the owners/breeders care about the health of their dogs.  People can contact their local breed clubs and ask questions about the different breeders showing their dogs.  

    Also, the Nest terms of service prohibit vendors from posting in support of their business, so if you aren't actually the owner of the store posting, you might want to let them know so they don't "accidentally" create an account here and post.   

  •  
    OP - this is a response by the reporter in the comments section of that newspaper article - perhaps you can give her email address to people who can speak to the puppymill aspect of the store and the burden stores like this place on the animal control/shelter system and the taxpayers.    
     

    Marge Neal11:25 am on Monday, January 16, 2012
    Thanks for the comments. I will look into this, and work on a follow-up story. I will be looking for people to speak on the record for a new story. Anyone interested can email me at marge.neal@patch.com. ? Marge Neal 
     

  • See the dog in my signature? He lived the first many months of his life in a petstore and narrowly escaped being euthanized. Now that he is living in an actual home we are working on erasing all the damage that was done. He had no concept of the world- couldn't go through doors, couldn't use stairs, afraid of everything and everyone. Great socialization,huh? And lets not get started on house breaking and crate training. Animals should not be sold in stores and no reputable breeder would allow that to happen with their dogs. Perhaps the owners of this store would be interested in selling pet supplies rather than pets.
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