Keep your whore uterus out of my face

Badgerengr

http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/61928466.aspx

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TSD

That has to be a joke. I am speechless otherwise. Again, why I stay here. Those responses are enraging. I personally don't understand how religious beliefs are even allowed anywhere near influencing medical procedures. Where I live it is pretty easy to choose your hospital and I don't know more than one or two that are religiously affiliated. But if you live in bumblefcuk somewhere I can see where this can pose a huge problem. My OB has privileges at 3 hospitals around here, all within 25 minutes of each other and there is another also same distance that he doesn't, but it's an option if I had wanted to switch docs. All with very good reputations. 

WendyToo

My sister talked to her gyno about a tubal, but ran into this problem. None of the hospitals in her city would allow one because they are all catholic owned/operated. They also won't 'let' a patient take BCP if they are there for any reason (obviously this only applies to overnight or multiple day stays)

TSD

WendyToo:

My sister talked to her gyno about a tubal, but ran into this problem. None of the hospitals in her city would allow one because they are all catholic owned/operated. They also won't 'let' a patient take BCP if they are there for any reason (obviously this only applies to overnight or multiple day stays)

Holy shiit. How do they police THAT? Check your bags? Or is it an "honor system"?

FallinAgain

I don't think religion should play a roll in healthcare decisions but private corporations can set those policies. It would suck to have to drive farther but it is what it is.

Novemberrocks

Lol 'Whore Uterus'. I'm torn about my feelings on Catholic health care providers. On the one hand, they are non profit mission based organizations and have clear goals of serving underserved/impoverished populations. I respect that and know that they do a lot of good. The flip side of that is that they do so according to their own specific set of core beliefs that happen to be contradictory to my beliefs on a few important matters. That said, I would imagine it can be hard to avoid a particular hospital if you go based on other factors such as choice of doctor or quality of care. I had Miles at a Catholic hospital and would go there again for #2, as my Ob/gyn (whom I love) is affiliated with that hospital. It happens to also be the hospital where the most babies are born in my state and it has a pretty advanced neo-natal ICU (should that ever be necessary). As an aside, now I'm wondering if you can get a tubal at Seattle Grace.

CaptainSerious

TSD, I've never researched this, but I had a professor in a medical ethics class that told us that the Catholics Iand other Christians, maybe?) were quietly buying buying up hospitals precisely so they could restict certain procedures they didn't agree with.  She mentioned that sometimes they'd never change the hospital name, so most the public never knew until faced with a denied procedure. I've always found it interesting that a doctor doesn't have to preform a procedure he morally objects to, but they aren't allowed to provide services they feel are morally right if their employer decides its against their policy.

Novemberrocks

And now I'm confused because I went to my hospital's website and it states that it is a non-sectarian institution though it has the word Saint in it. Weird.

WendyToo

TSD:

WendyToo:

My sister talked to her gyno about a tubal, but ran into this problem. None of the hospitals in her city would allow one because they are all catholic owned/operated. They also won't 'let' a patient take BCP if they are there for any reason (obviously this only applies to overnight or multiple day stays)

Holy shiit. How do they police THAT? Check your bags? Or is it an "honor system"?

They require patients to surrender all meds that they are taking when they are admitted for their own safety to prevent reactions between what they are giving and what the patient is already taking. I'm sure they don't police it if you lie, but I would assume most people declare/give their meds honestly without realizing the hospital wouldn't give it back to them.  

wingedbride

WendyToo:

TSD:

WendyToo:

My sister talked to her gyno about a tubal, but ran into this problem. None of the hospitals in her city would allow one because they are all catholic owned/operated. They also won't 'let' a patient take BCP if they are there for any reason (obviously this only applies to overnight or multiple day stays)

Holy shiit. How do they police THAT? Check your bags? Or is it an "honor system"?

They require patients to surrender all meds that they are taking when they are admitted for their own safety to prevent reactions between what they are giving and what the patient is already taking. I'm sure they don't police it if you lie, but I would assume most people declare/give their meds honestly without realizing the hospital wouldn't give it back to them.  

I wonder how this works when the BCP is medically necessary like in cases of endo. 

WendyToo

wingedbride:

WendyToo:

TSD:

WendyToo:

My sister talked to her gyno about a tubal, but ran into this problem. None of the hospitals in her city would allow one because they are all catholic owned/operated. They also won't 'let' a patient take BCP if they are there for any reason (obviously this only applies to overnight or multiple day stays)

Holy shiit. How do they police THAT? Check your bags? Or is it an "honor system"?

They require patients to surrender all meds that they are taking when they are admitted for their own safety to prevent reactions between what they are giving and what the patient is already taking. I'm sure they don't police it if you lie, but I would assume most people declare/give their meds honestly without realizing the hospital wouldn't give it back to them.  

I wonder how this works when the BCP is medically necessary like in cases of endo. 

Does the catholic church recognize that as necessary? Endo isn't exactly life threatening.  

wingedbride

WendyToo:

wingedbride:

WendyToo:

TSD:

WendyToo:

My sister talked to her gyno about a tubal, but ran into this problem. None of the hospitals in her city would allow one because they are all catholic owned/operated. They also won't 'let' a patient take BCP if they are there for any reason (obviously this only applies to overnight or multiple day stays)

Holy shiit. How do they police THAT? Check your bags? Or is it an "honor system"?

They require patients to surrender all meds that they are taking when they are admitted for their own safety to prevent reactions between what they are giving and what the patient is already taking. I'm sure they don't police it if you lie, but I would assume most people declare/give their meds honestly without realizing the hospital wouldn't give it back to them.  

I wonder how this works when the BCP is medically necessary like in cases of endo. 

Does the catholic church recognize that as necessary? Endo isn't exactly life threatening.  

Im

Confused as to how you came to the conclusion that endo isn't life threatening. Sure it not like if I don't take my meds for a day or two that I'll have a heart attack but the tissue from your uterus grows on other organs. It can cause bowel ruptures and other situations that are deadly.  

wingedbride

Sorry. Im on my phone and hit post to soon. I think it's just that people today generally don't die from endo, because it's easily treatable through hormones. And you can have surgery if that's still not enough. But I don't think surgery should be the only option if the non invasive approved treatment happens to also be BCP. 

.rosenjoe

wingedbride:

Sorry. Im on my phone and hit post to soon. I think it's just that people today generally don't die from endo, because it's easily treatable through hormones. And you can have surgery if that's still not enough. But I don't think surgery should be the only option if the non invasive approved treatment happens to also be BCP. 

With the bolded, you've hit on the principle of double effect, which applies here.  You can take a course of action that would ordinarily be a moral evil (here, taking hormonal BC) if the reason for taking it is a moral good or neutral (treating an illness for which there isn't another feasible treatment).  Ideally, you would find another way to treat the illness, but if there isn't any other way, it's ok to undergo the treatment, since the intention isn't the BC aspect. 

ETA: Regarding the OP: I wouldn't go to a Jehovah's Witness hospital (do they have those? For the sake of argument, let's say they do) and throw a fit because they wouldn't give me a blood transfusion.  I think any privately-owned business--and let's not kid ourselves that hospitals aren't businesses--should be able to operate according to whatever dictates its owners/board feel to be right.

WendyToo

My bad, my doctor explained it as much more of a comfort/fertility issue than as one which would be life threatening. I haven't exactly spent hours googling what the rare possibilities are. 

Either way, I suspect that the church may view it as not necessary if there are alternatives, even if reasonable people think they should opt for the less invasive option instead. That's just speculation though.  

wingedbride

There are no other options for prevention. You have to stop the growth of tissue that coincides with menstruatuon. Therefore you have to regulate or stop the period. Surgery is only an option once the damage has been done. And not to start mincing words with you, but these aren't rare occupancies. Damage to ovaries, intestines and other organs is pretty common. Your doctor is a tool for making it sound like a comfort issue. 

lindsayll

Whore uterus is cracking me up. I'm envisioning a uterus in lucite platform heels on the stroll for a John in Hunts Point.

WendyToo

wingedbride:

There are no other options for prevention. You have to stop the growth of tissue that coincides with menstruatuon. Therefore you have to regulate or stop the period. Surgery is only an option once the damage has been done. And not to start mincing words with you, but these aren't rare occupancies. Damage to ovaries, intestines and other organs is pretty common. Your doctor is a tool for making it sound like a comfort issue. 

I don't think it's a stretch to say endometriosis being life threatening is rare, even if untreated hormonally. 

wingedbride

WendyToo:

wingedbride:

There are no other options for prevention. You have to stop the growth of tissue that coincides with menstruatuon. Therefore you have to regulate or stop the period. Surgery is only an option once the damage has been done. And not to start mincing words with you, but these aren't rare occupancies. Damage to ovaries, intestines and other organs is pretty common. Your doctor is a tool for making it sound like a comfort issue. 

I don't think it's a stretch to say endometriosis being life threatening is rare, even if untreated hormonally. 

If untreated hormonally? While it may be rare, it would happen. Tissue growth can occur quickly and shut off blood supply to organs. But we are not just talking death here. We are talking loss of abdominal organs etc.  A strike doesn't always kill. Sometimes it just causes paralysis. Is that ok? If treatment was BCP would it be ok to say they cant take it? 

wingedbride

And really I cannot believe we are debating how rare something has to be before it is worth the possibility of someone not dying being the only determination for medical treatment. 

salimoo

wingedbride:

WendyToo:

TSD:

WendyToo:

My sister talked to her gyno about a tubal, but ran into this problem. None of the hospitals in her city would allow one because they are all catholic owned/operated. They also won't 'let' a patient take BCP if they are there for any reason (obviously this only applies to overnight or multiple day stays)

Holy shiit. How do they police THAT? Check your bags? Or is it an "honor system"?

They require patients to surrender all meds that they are taking when they are admitted for their own safety to prevent reactions between what they are giving and what the patient is already taking. I'm sure they don't police it if you lie, but I would assume most people declare/give their meds honestly without realizing the hospital wouldn't give it back to them.  

I wonder how this works when the BCP is medically necessary like in cases of endo. 

They likely wouldn't make an exception. I was in a Catholic hospital when I almost died because it happened to be the one the ambulance took me to. After a couple of days I started to have some breakthrough bleeding (which is SUPER AWESOME when you're cathed, in ICU, and can't do anything for yourself) so I asked about my BCPs. They said no way, Jose. I told them that I'd been put on them originally for ovarian cysts and was continuing to take them for that reason. They still said no. Until that moment, it never occurred to me that I wouldn't be allowed to have them. It wasn't a big deal, although my period was out of whack for months after and I bled forever and ever and ever.

As far as endo being life-threatening, I doubt that would even be an issue with the length of most hospital stays. If you were getting more long-term, maybe it'd be time to discuss moving to a different hospital if possible. However, I wonder if, with long-term hospital care, if they'd even allow it because the risk of blood clots comes into play when you're bedridden.

lindsayll

Hospitals are businesses.  They make the call on the services they offer.  Our healthcare system may make it challenging or expensive to get services elsewhere, but not impossible.  I'd be shopping for a new doc and hospital if it was important to me.

Winged, even the NIH refers to the complications you are describing as rare.  Wendy clarified that she was basing her statements on superficial info from a doctor.  Your reaction seems a bit out of proportion, even factoring in your bias because you live with endo.

WendyToo

lindsayll:

Winged, even the NIH refers to the complications you are describing as rare.  Wendy clarified that she was basing her statements on superficial info from a doctor.  Your reaction seems a bit out of proportion, even factoring in your bias because you live with endo.

Thank you. Thats pretty much the point I was trying to make.  

Badgerengr

So if you're a patient at a Catholic hospital and have an IUD, do they stick some meat tongs up in there and yoink it out while you're snoozing?

wingedbride

WendyToo:

lindsayll:

Winged, even the NIH refers to the complications you are describing as rare.  Wendy clarified that she was basing her statements on superficial info from a doctor.  Your reaction seems a bit out of proportion, even factoring in your bias because you live with endo.

Thank you. Thats pretty much the point I was trying to make.  

Does the NIH clarify if the conditions are rare with or without treatment? If it's classified as rare then I and my friends must be a rare group. Everyone I know with endo has some type of permanent damage to something, usually ovaries. But yeah I'm frustrated. And maybe the tone is coming across as angry but I don't intend it that way. I hate debating from my iPhone be ause I don't compose we'll. But it's frustrating to think that other conditions with similar chances of damage might be treated when mine wouldn't be because of the moral implications. 

wise_rita

P&CE said that aruiz genius is a known troll:

http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/61963102/ShowThread.aspx

Still disturbing, though. 

lindsayll

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001913/

Doesn't specifiy.  Here's the passage on complications:

Endometriosis can lead to problems getting pregnant (infertility). Not all women, especially those with mild endometriosis, will have infertility. Laparoscopy to remove scarring related to the condition may help improve your chances of becoming pregnant. If it does not, fertility treatments should be considered.

Other complications of endometriosis include:

• Long-term (chronic) pelvic pain that interferes with social and work activities

• Large cysts in the pelvis (called endometriomas) that may break open (rupture)

In a few cases, endometriosis implants may cause blockages of the gastrointestinal or urinary tracts. This is rare.

Very rarely, cancer may develop in the areas of endometriosis after menopause.

lindsayll

wingedbride:

If it's classified as rare then I and my friends must be a rare group. Everyone I know with endo has some type of permanent damage to something, usually ovaries.  

Just because something seems to occur frequently among a small sample doesn't mean it is statistically common in reality across the whole population.

FallinAgain

What seems rare is that anyone would be stuck in a hospital for so long that rare endo issues would arise.  I suspect that someone in a condition necessitating lengthy hospitalization would not be treated for endo in any hospital because there would be so many bigger concerns.  

In any case, I agree with Lindsay that if it's an important issue to you, you should check out your hospital's policies and choose one that aligns with your needs. 

wingedbride

I agree about the hospitals and I certainly am fine with that. I guess whatset me off was Wendy's doctors "comfort" comment. No one likes being dismissed. I have been in the past over both my endo and IBS. Will either kill me? No. And ywah it is a comfort issue for sure. But that doesn't mean that either are things I don't struggle with. It just hurts to feel Luke your doctor doesn't see your needs as being important 

CaliopeSpidrman

You are totally dragging me down with this endo debate.  Can we please re-focus on the whore uterus getting sins all over the hands of good Christians?  And the fact that people type "G-d" like it's a bad word?