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Speech services Mammas, please come in!

So... after 3 years of brining up Jace's inability to regularly form the "TH" blend my pedi finally said that we should look into speech services.

Any words of wisdom or advice?

Anyone you like and would recommend?  (Especially if you're on the south side of town)

Our IF journey: 1 m/c, 1 IVF with only 3 eggs retrieved yielding Dylan and a lost twin, 1 shocker unmedicated BFP resulting in Jace, 3 more unmedicated pregnancies ending in more losses.
Total score: 6 pregnancies, 5 losses, 2 amazing blessings that I'm thankful for every single day.

Re: Speech services Mammas, please come in!

  • How old is your child that is having this issue?  I just asked our pedi about this at DD 5 year check up and she said not to worry about it until she is 6, that it should be resolved by then.
  • We've had two sessions with Emily (and our initial eval with Jeff) at Foothills Speech and I really like them both. Check your insurance coverage. From what I've been told, most insurances won't cover speech therapy for different reasons. We have great insurance and we are not covered because it's not considered "restorative". Their sessions are $75/half hour. But if you pay out of pocket, they give you a slight discount. http://www.foothillsspeech.org/

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  • Jace.  This was his 4 year check up.

    He's done this since he started talking and the pedi has continued to say he would likely grow out of it.

    If you coach him he can make the "th" sound but when you watch him do it it literally looks like there's not enough room in his mouth for his tongue to make the sound properly without effort.

    Maybe I need to research it more and hold off if he's still within the age that it's not considered an issue yet?

     

     

    Our IF journey: 1 m/c, 1 IVF with only 3 eggs retrieved yielding Dylan and a lost twin, 1 shocker unmedicated BFP resulting in Jace, 3 more unmedicated pregnancies ending in more losses.
    Total score: 6 pregnancies, 5 losses, 2 amazing blessings that I'm thankful for every single day.
  • Yes, I agree. If your ticker is right and Jace is about 4, it's nothing to be concerned about yet. I can't link from Chrome, but here is a chart that shows the different ages when sounds should come in:

    http://www.talkingtails.net/SpeechSoundDevelopmentChart.php

    The beginning of the bar is when 50% of kids have a sound mastered and the end of the bar is when 90% have it mastered. TH is one of the later sounds, 50% of kids have it mastered by Jace's age, and we don't start worrying until 6-7. 

    If you are still concerned (or if there is not a regular pattern in his speech, like he always says "f" for "th" like "Forf of July") I'm happy to give you some ideas, but it should just disappear on its own.

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  • You can contact Child find who would do an evaluation and if ge qualifies as delayed with recieve treatment through the preschool system. If he is already in preschool talk with his teachers. Or you can do it privately through hopefully your insurance. If Shanbrite doesn't respond to your post page her she is an SLP and may kniw someone or at least be able to help you a bit more. She is super helpful! ETA: she's so helpful she beat me to the punch!
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  • Looks like that's normal for boys until 8.

     http://www.buildingspeechfoundations.com/blog-entry/milestones-acquisition-speech-sounds

     All of Os speech is through the school district (it's free, but after 4, he'd have to get the district to qualify for that, so he'd do part day-preschool there if you wants to go that route.) I'm thinking you could call the district ece sped coordinator to ask about an Eval (which should also be free.) 

  • imageshanbrite2:

    If you are still concerned (or if there is not a regular pattern in his speech, like he always says "f" for "th" like "Forf of July") I'm happy to give you some ideas, but it should just disappear on its own.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for that link!

    It's almost always an "f" for the "th".

    He's such a stinker.  In his appointment he heard me bring it up to his pedi so when the pedi asked him to say "Thursday" he concentrated and said it properly.  (we have worked on it a bit).

    Later on after he'd forgotten the discussion my pedi asked him how old he was and could he hold up the fingers.  He then asked him to count the fingers and when he said "three" it came out "free".  I was cracking up.  

    If he thinks about it he can say it properly so I wonder if that means he's more likely to outgrow it naturally?  or more likely that he'll need help?  or only time will tell?

    I'd love any advice you have to offer.  I don't harp on it with him regularly but we have worked on it a bit lately - mainly when I wanted to see if he was even physically capable of making the right sound if he thought about it.  Then I get concerned that I'm going to give him a complex so I back off.  I feel kinda lost - do I leave it alone or remind him to try to say it correctly?

     

    Our IF journey: 1 m/c, 1 IVF with only 3 eggs retrieved yielding Dylan and a lost twin, 1 shocker unmedicated BFP resulting in Jace, 3 more unmedicated pregnancies ending in more losses.
    Total score: 6 pregnancies, 5 losses, 2 amazing blessings that I'm thankful for every single day.
  • Winnie had similar issues & I had her evaluated at 3...she tested "normal" range. It continued & finally at almost 6 I had her tested again & she was delayed (mostly just "r"...mildly "l" & blends). She had ST for the year she was in Kindergarten. Some kid's pick it up quickly & only need a few sessions but "r" was very difficult for her to become automatic...so it took a year of 1-2 times a week. At her age I was told to correct her... It's ok & needed. Giving gentle reminders from us, the teacher & her speech therapist was integral to her making progress. if you feel it's off-- take him In for an eval just in case. I loved Deb Fenton at Lowry Speech...she picked up on Winnie having dyslexia before she was even in 1st grade which is very rare. Good luck!
  • N still uses F for Th most of the time too.  If you coach him to stick his tounge out he can say it correctly but other wise it's "I want to go wif you."
  • imagehowleyshell:
    imageshanbrite2:

    If you are still concerned (or if there is not a regular pattern in his speech, like he always says "f" for "th" like "Forf of July") I'm happy to give you some ideas, but it should just disappear on its own.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for that link!

    It's almost always an "f" for the "th".

    He's such a stinker.  In his appointment he heard me bring it up to his pedi so when the pedi asked him to say "Thursday" he concentrated and said it properly.  (we have worked on it a bit).

    Later on after he'd forgotten the discussion my pedi asked him how old he was and could he hold up the fingers.  He then asked him to count the fingers and when he said "three" it came out "free".  I was cracking up.  

    If he thinks about it he can say it properly so I wonder if that means he's more likely to outgrow it naturally?  or more likely that he'll need help?  or only time will tell?

    I'd love any advice you have to offer.  I don't harp on it with him regularly but we have worked on it a bit lately - mainly when I wanted to see if he was even physically capable of making the right sound if he thought about it.  Then I get concerned that I'm going to give him a complex so I back off.  I feel kinda lost - do I leave it alone or remind him to try to say it correctly?

     

    I don't normally say this, and of course I can't really know without hearing/seeing your DS, but if /th/ is the only sound he has issues with, I really wouldn't worry right now. Unfortunately, we can't know which kids will resolve their speech error patterns in time and which will need therapy, but the vast majority of kids will do it on their own.

    My gut tells me that his self-awareness, his ability to self-correct and his age are all good indicators that he'll be fine. If I were seeing him for an eval, and this was the only thing going on (no problems with understand or using language, no other unusual sound patterns going on), I would tell you to keep an eye on it and have him checked out again if it hadn't resolved by 6 or so (given his ability to start changing his speech already).

    As for things you can do, I would praise him (casually) when he says it right, and *very* slightly over-emphasize the /th/ when you are saying it. It sounds like he is already pretty aware, so you do want to be careful of pushing him too much (I've seen many kids shut down with too much pressure).

    If he does make a good /th/, you can say, "Oh! I heard you say THree!" and leave it at that. That reinforces the good production, but doesn't make him too self-conscious or anything. 

    The tongue is a muscle (several, actually), and so it will take practice to get the coordination right, but he should be able to get there.

    I really, really wouldn't worry, but if something just feels wrong in your gut, Child Find does free evaluations for speech (you would contact the Child Find team in your school district). You can also see what your health insurance will cover; many insurances will cover an eval through Children's (or other facility), even if they don't cover speech therapy. Good luck and please feel free to page me if you have any other questions! 

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  • imageshanbrite2:
     Good luck and please feel free to page me if you have any other questions! 

    I seriously would like to crawl thru this computer and give you a big giant hug.

    I would hate to have people always asking for professional advice online but I want you to know how very much I appreciate you taking the time to write all of that out for me.

    I will hold off on an eval and I'll work on emphasizing the /th/ in words when I pronounce them and praising when I hear him say it correctly.

    THANK YOU!!!!!

    Our IF journey: 1 m/c, 1 IVF with only 3 eggs retrieved yielding Dylan and a lost twin, 1 shocker unmedicated BFP resulting in Jace, 3 more unmedicated pregnancies ending in more losses.
    Total score: 6 pregnancies, 5 losses, 2 amazing blessings that I'm thankful for every single day.
  • imagehowleyshell:

    imageshanbrite2:
     Good luck and please feel free to page me if you have any other questions! 

    I seriously would like to crawl thru this computer and give you a big giant hug.

    I would hate to have people always asking for professional advice online but I want you to know how very much I appreciate you taking the time to write all of that out for me.

    I will hold off on an eval and I'll work on emphasizing the /th/ in words when I pronounce them and praising when I hear him say it correctly.

    THANK YOU!!!!!

    Yay! Glad it helped :-) It's really not a problem and I like doing it. I was just telling DH tonight at dinner how it made me happy to feel like I'm helping people in a small way with my knowledge (especially since I spent most of the day trying to console a teething baby, ha!).  

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