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Are we really doing this to our children/students?

I work in education, and was speaking to a student teacher and their college observer supervisor... apparently, the college is having a problem with freshmen not meeting expectations, doing work and generally doing poorly.  Where the freshman GPA mean was 3.26 5 years ago, it has dropped to 2.91...students are saying things like, I have stuff to do, I couldn't get to the paper or I pay for this...I'll hand it in next class.  I'm really shocked.

I do see a great sense of entitlement in the HS where I work...the students feel they are very intelligent, they Google everything, and CONSTANTLY request help.  They also have NO PROBLEM cheating and even have the nerve to defend it...it's not cheating, it's helping!   

 After speaking with the supervisor, I spoke to some colleagues who definitely have seen similar things, and to be honest, the sense of entitlement really does come from home...But I also see parents who want their child to succeed and won't tolerate the nonsense...I see some great parents who make the child responsible, and see others who just enable the student to do nothing, and want straight As for it.

 I'd love your opinions, just to get some insight...Thanks! 

Re: Are we really doing this to our children/students?

  • We must work in the same school, lol.

    It's quite unsettling. 

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  • OMG...thank you for proving the point that a few of us were trying to make earlier. 

    Look up the book The Price of Privilege, my FIL who is a child psychologist and administrator always  recommends it

    http://www.amazon.com/Price-Privilege-Advantage-Generation-Disconnected/dp/0060595841

    many kids are being raised to have everything done for them, no work ethic, no consequences, and their parents just give them everything without asking for anything in return. its really sad and so so difficult when you are raising your kids against what seems to be the norm for everyone else 

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    OMG...thank you for proving the point that a few of us were trying to make earlier. 

    Look up the book The Price of Privilege, my FIL who is a child psychologist and administrator always  recommends it

    http://www.amazon.com/Price-Privilege-Advantage-Generation-Disconnected/dp/0060595841

    many kids are being raised to have everything done for them, no work ethic, no consequences, and their parents just give them everything without asking for anything in return. its really sad and so so difficult when you are raising your kids against what seems to be the norm for everyone else 

    I just read the birthday party post...and while I 'get it'...I kind of wish it wasn't that way...I agree with you, and will check out this book...I'm honestly worried and scared for these students, the real world is going to EAT THEM ALIVE. 

  • Unfortunately the sense of entitlement travels to the workplace once these kids graduate.  I work in HR at a non profit and we get tons of entry level grads who come here to get their foot in the door. You'd be amazed at the level of immaturity and sense of entitlement some of these people have especially in trying their hardest to be the "exception" or get rules bent just for them.  I feel like an old fartass saying this but things were very very different when I was in college.  I am tempted to b*tch slap half of the riff raff that gets hired around here. LOL.
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  • imageBeachBaby07:

    OMG...thank you for proving the point that a few of us were trying to make earlier. 

    Look up the book The Price of Privilege, my FIL who is a child psychologist and administrator always  recommends it

    http://www.amazon.com/Price-Privilege-Advantage-Generation-Disconnected/dp/0060595841

    many kids are being raised to have everything done for them, no work ethic, no consequences, and their parents just give them everything without asking for anything in return. its really sad and so so difficult when you are raising your kids against what seems to be the norm for everyone else 

    I work with a woman who does everything for her daughter.  She writes her papers for school, did all her applications and essays for college, bought her a car, calls her to make sure she wakes up in time to get to school/work, etc.  The daughter treats the mother like garbage, she has even HIT her mother, had a wild kegger last year while the parents were out, hangs up on her mom when she calls.  The list goes on and I hear alot of it because I sit next to her.  It's awful.  I've never met the girl but I want to punch her in the face.

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    imageBeachBaby07:

    OMG...thank you for proving the point that a few of us were trying to make earlier. 

    Look up the book The Price of Privilege, my FIL who is a child psychologist and administrator always  recommends it

    http://www.amazon.com/Price-Privilege-Advantage-Generation-Disconnected/dp/0060595841

    many kids are being raised to have everything done for them, no work ethic, no consequences, and their parents just give them everything without asking for anything in return. its really sad and so so difficult when you are raising your kids against what seems to be the norm for everyone else 

    I work with a woman who does everything for her daughter.  She writes her papers for school, did all her applications and essays for college, bought her a car, calls her to make sure she wakes up in time to get to school/work, etc.  The daughter treats the mother like garbage, she has even HIT her mother, had a wild kegger last year while the parents were out, hangs up on her mom when she calls.  The list goes on and I hear alot of it because I sit next to her.  It's awful.  I've never met the girl but I want to punch her in the face.

    Yes, I know many teens like this...I would have never, nor would any of my friends...If I was rude to my aunt, who raised me, forget it.   

  • I'd want to punch the girl too.  But really, it's not all her fault.  The mother raised her this way and lets her get away with it.
  • Its starts from wanting to be your kids "friend" and for not wanting your kids to be unhappy or disappointed with anything in their lives, so better we should do it for them and take care of everything then for them to actually learn to care for themselves or be told no. And when they do f-up in school, not to blame it on someone else, give them a punishment that fits the crime at home as well and dont try to get them out of it. 

    Pretty much my whole family is in education and/or administration so I hear this stuff all the time....so much so I swear we could write a book. The stories I hear, make me really really scared!!! We have a huge suicide problem in our area and another 15 yr old walked onto train tracks yesterday and killed himself. I dont know the actual details or the whys in this particular case, but its just so maddening to have a group of kids that could have all they want out of life, be so unhappy and have no other way of handling their problems then to end their lives 

  • Well I am have a 14 year old and while she is not perfect there is a different tune playing in my house, she needs to help around the house and is 100 % percent responsible for her school work, everything she gets she needs to earn it, if there is no money for certain things we do not bend over backwards to give it to her.

    I wish parents knew that they are doing more harm than good to their kids and I am not that old (35), most of my daughter's friends parents are older and some of them just let them do a lot of things I don't let my daughter do, you'll will think older=wiser.

     It's a sad situation.

  • There have been tons of articles on this. I read one a few years ago, sometime when that show Laguna Beach and The Hills were on. It was saying how this type of behavior is also having a huge effect on dating. Because the girls are given everything by their parents so they expect the same or better from the guys. If parents are buying them Gucci, Prada & cars, how are the guys supposed to measure up. Then on the guy side, they expect to come out of college and land these 6 figure jobs. They don't want to work their way up- they just expect to land a cool job working in tv, fashion, publicity, or some other "cool" field and be at the top mingling with celebrities. Both male & female were seeing all these shows like LB and TH - oh, and Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie (at the time) getting paid to basically do nothing, and thinking that should be their lives.

    So, both end up living with their parents, parents allowing and encouraging it, kids not even paying any rent or bills, till 30 and living like they're children.

  • Because parents go into the schools and scream at the teachers for not being nice to their kids, rather than reprimanding their kids for misbehaving and not doing their work.
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    imageBeachBaby07:

    OMG...thank you for proving the point that a few of us were trying to make earlier. 

    Look up the book The Price of Privilege, my FIL who is a child psychologist and administrator always  recommends it

    http://www.amazon.com/Price-Privilege-Advantage-Generation-Disconnected/dp/0060595841

    many kids are being raised to have everything done for them, no work ethic, no consequences, and their parents just give them everything without asking for anything in return. its really sad and so so difficult when you are raising your kids against what seems to be the norm for everyone else 

    I just read the birthday party post...and while I 'get it'...I kind of wish it wasn't that way...I agree with you, and will check out this book...I'm honestly worried and scared for these students, the real world is going to EAT THEM ALIVE

    NO THEY WON'T BECAUSE SOCIETY IS BEING FORCED TO ADAPT TO THEM.  You should see some of the spoiled rotten brats that have worked for me in the past.  I get sh*t from my boss b/c I'm too mean/hard/blunt w/ them.  I try to think if they can't handle this job they will never survive but I know times are changing and so many people are being allowed to do nothing and make $$.  I can't believe how much has changed in 20 years when I had my first job and scrubbed so much crap for $4.50/hr in the restaurant I worked in.

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    Because parents go into the schools and scream at the teachers for not being nice to their kids, rather than reprimanding their kids for misbehaving and not doing their work.

    THIS...THIS...HOLY SHEET THIS!!!!

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    imagembcdefg:
    Because parents go into the schools and scream at the teachers for not being nice to their kids, rather than reprimanding their kids for misbehaving and not doing their work.

    THIS...THIS...HOLY SHEET THIS!!!!

    Now I'll be the one to say "Sing it Sister!!!!"

     

  • Oh ladies......just you wait until your children join organized sports/music/whatever in high school.  I have moms who will run in after their daughters to tell me it was their fault they were 30 minutes late to practice because they forgot to wake them up.......  

     

    I actually had to have a discussion with this lady about how I understood her need to help her child as I am also a mother, but at SIXTEEN I didn't think it was too much of me to ask that the "child" learn to set an alarm and inform her parents in advance when she needs to be at practice.  I also had to fight for my right to "punish" said kid by benching her for the first half of a game.  You know.....because it wasn't fair that her mommy didn't wake her up and all.   

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