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Frustrated. SA issues (long)

Hi ladies. I'm a former lurker/poster, but am now mostly a bumpie. I am so frustrated with our dog right now. I got home today and just cried at the mess. Being a huge and emotional prego doesn't help...

I am 35w, and as if I wasn't anxious enough about incorporating a baby into her life, we are now having recurrent issues with her SA.

Backstory, she had horrible SA when we adopted her 4 years ago. We have never successfully been able to crate her without her doing significant damage to the crate or herself. For the past 2 years, she has been pretty happily adjusted by having free roam of our house. We practice NILIF and she always receives a PB kong upon our departure and had been doing well for quite awhile.

In preparation for our baby, we got new carpet throughout our house. We purchased a (very tall) baby gate and she is now confined to our kitchen. She did have the occasional accident on our old carpet, so the new carpet plus all of our baby things means we are no longer willing to risk leaving her out all day. It has been two weeks and every day I come home to something new destroyed. I know it's SA because she scratches at the baby gate and pulls things out of the cabinets (plastic bags, saran wrap etc) and shreds them mercilessly. She is a dog that does not adjust well to change.

We have upped her exercise dramatically, which does seem to help. I've tried to make it a place she can be comfortable in. Her crate is in there (although she won't stand to be locked in it, she will nap in there). One thing we haven't ever tried with her is a DAP diffuser, but I'm hesitant to try that now because I need something that will work quickly.

I haven't ever gone this route before, but I'm considering asking the vet for anxiety medication for her. :-(  I hate that she is so unhappy in the kitchen. She is an anxious dog in general, and I know bringing the baby home will be stressful on her anyways. Can anyone provide any advice about putting your dog or cat on anxiety medication? I don't want her to be in a fog... just wanting something to take the edge off and then hopefully our other tricks (stepping up NILIF, more exercise) can take care of the rest. 

Thanks so much for your help. 

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Re: Frustrated. SA issues (long)

  • We struggled with SA with our dog, and went the route of medication. She was originally prescribed clomicalm, but it was more than we could afford, and instead put her on prozac (the generic).

    In our case, it has been amazing. She is still as happy and excited as ever, but can now be left home alone. Before treating her, she was very destructive (ate through 3 kennels before we figured out what was wrong) but with the prozac she is so much better. I also worried it would put her in a fog and make her act sedated, but it doesn't at all.   

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  • Have you considered getting her a thundershirt (google it if you don't know what I'm talking about)?  We have not tried it personally yet but I have heard good things and am considering getting one for my pup who has mild SA.
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  • Thanks ladies. 

    Stephparks - do you mind sharing how much it costs to medicate your dog? I will pay whatever it takes, but Gappie is already on Atopica for skin allergies and it's $100/month. Did the Clomicalm work better for your dog than the generic or the same?

    And SillyStraw, I have thought about the Thundershirt, but I have read so many mixed reviews on them that I didn't think it would work for our dog (I feel her case is somewhat severe and I'm a bit of a skeptic!). It would be something she would have to wear every time we were away and I think she would just adjust to wearing the shirt and then continue her freak outs... :( 

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  • We also tried Clomicalm, but it did nothing for Mister's anxiety. he's now on Amitriptyline (sp?) and that has done great things. He's not 100%, but he no longer messes in his crate or tries to escape. That combined with NILIF and practice separations (where we put him in the crate, but don't leave) have helped tremendously. And his meds don't seem to make him foggy. He's still our goofy, lovable pup!
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  • There's always the Reconcile program, including the meds and BOND program.  Some dogs only need the meds for 2 months and it gets them through it.
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  • Lily's been on the generic Prozac for 3 1/2 years. Recently, she had issues again and we had to add Trazadone. Both are rx we get at Walgreens. Prozac takes several weeks to work, but when it does it is life changing. Lily is still silly, energetic and full of personality. What is changed is her anxiety and panic. We also have a Thundershirt that we use off and on. The bonus of the Thundershirt is the 45-day money back guarantee. It took about 5 days for it to work for her. I'd talk to your vet. It sounds like your dog might benefit from meds.
  • Thanks for all the responses. I hadn't heard of the Reconcile/BOND program. I guess I will see what plan of action the vet recommends. 

    I didn't realize the Thundershirt had a 45 day return policy. That might be worth a shot if we could get our money back if it didn't work for her.  

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    Stephparks - do you mind sharing how much it costs to medicate your dog? I will pay whatever it takes, but Gappie is already on Atopica for skin allergies and it's $100/month. Did the Clomicalm work better for your dog than the generic or the same?

    Right now we pay either $6 or $9, i can't remember, for 60 days from Fred Meyer. We only had her on Clomicalm for 30 days (it was $100) and didn't notice much difference in that time. 

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    Stephparks - do you mind sharing how much it costs to medicate your dog? I will pay whatever it takes, but Gappie is already on Atopica for skin allergies and it's $100/month. Did the Clomicalm work better for your dog than the generic or the same?

    Right now we pay either $6 or $9, i can't remember, for 60 days from Fred Meyer. We only had her on Clomicalm for 30 days (it was $100) and didn't notice much difference in that time. 

    That is wonderful, thank you! Vet appointment is on Friday. Hopefully we can find a solution for our little girl :)

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  • How much exercise is she getting now that you've upped it? It still may not be enough. What about doggy daycare once or twice a week?
  • There is hope for SA, its never easy and I never take it for granted when she's havign good days.  Another thing that helped was walking her with a backpack. No weight in it at first and then slowly adding rice to the pockets to weight it (there is a limit to the percentage of weight you should use).  It helped her work her brain more and feel like she was working.  As much as we physically exercise her, we have to mentally exercise her.  She gets more tired from mental work than physical.

    We'd work on obedience training randomly at home or on walks.

    Remember to give her no attention before leaving or coming home.  NONE.  My DH has trouble with this and I have to constantly remind him. It makes a difference.  NILIF helped a ton as well.

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    How much exercise is she getting now that you've upped it? It still may not be enough. What about doggy daycare once or twice a week?

    We just upped her from one to two 30-minute walks per day. Physically, I don't think I can handle much more right now. Sometimes she gets an extra one if DH gets home early enough. She is a good little running buddy also, but that will have to wait until I can start running again. The backpack is something that I will probably try. She is for sure a dog that needs 'mental exercise' as well.

    Daycare is something I have looked into and will probably seriously consider once the baby comes to offer her a break. They offer it at the kennel we board her at and she loves going there. She has aggression towards many other dogs but they handle her pretty well when she boards there so I'd feel comfortable with their daycare.

    Completely ignoring her before and after leaving is something we are getting back into the habit of. When she had free roam, she was calm as a cucumber before we would leave and when we would get home. Her reward for being calm was getting attention. Unfortunately, she has regressed back to freaking out before we leave/when we get home, so we are back to ignoring completely.

    Thanks for all the help ladies, I really appreciate it.

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