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Loose leash walking is IMPOSSIBLE to teach.

Ugh.  Renzo just DOES NOT UNDERSTAND loose leash walking! I feel like I have tried everything!

I know he is smart enough to figure it out, he just doesn't seem to care.

Anyone else with an "impossible" case??  

 

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Re: Loose leash walking is IMPOSSIBLE to teach.

  • Yes. I think it is the hardest thing to train ever. 

    Bella's fearfulness makes it even more fun!

  • I agree. Miko doesn't pull, but he cannot stand slack in the leash unless he's pretty worn out. Drives.Me.Nuts.
  • We have 2 strong lab mixes and have  had a lot of success with a front clip harness. We were introduced to them by a trainer who had originally suggested a halti for Mendel (he never got used to it). The front clip harness turns the dog to the side every time they pull too far ahead or if you want to correct a behavior. 

    They are only about $15 and take just as long to put on/take off as a leash does (we just keep the leash clipped to the harness and then slip the harness over their heads and use the clip that is under the belly). 

     I think its the same brand that makes the gentle leader/halti...they are located on the leash aisle at petsmart/petco

  • nitalnital member
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    LLW is hard.  It took me 4 dogs and working for a trainer to finally get my technique down.  Unfortunately, after years of pulling....the dogs I have the hardest time with....mine.  But damn if I can get a foster walking nicely in a week.

    Our technique is pretty unusual.  We do a lot of inside turns (doing a 180 turn into the dog), and they learn very quickly to back out of our way because we will walk into them if they dont.  Once they get that, then we start walking, and if the dog tries to get ahead of us, we simply do an inside turn to push them back.  My boss once accidentally got a dog walking nicely in record time because she started training, then got a very frustrating phone call and started pacing back and forth, forgetting she still had a dog.  Dog ended up LLW perfectly after 30 min because she didn't have a choice.

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  • imagenital:
    Dog ended up LLW perfectly after 30 min because she didn't have a choice.

    HA! That's great.

  • Yes, Quincy.  He cannot *not* pull.  We've tried the 180-degree turn thing - we've walked back and forth in front of our house so many times that our neighbors probably thought we were losing our minds - and he still pulls with all his might.  It's so frustrating. 
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    I used to be kris216.
  • Yes- I feel like I've tried EVERYTHING with our dogs, but we stil fail at LLW. One part of our problem is that I think hunting dogs are kind of instinctually wanting to run all over the place and look for critters.  The bigger part of my problem is that DH won't work on it, and he gets really annoyed with me when we try to go for a walk together and I try to work on it.  We've actually had a bunch of fights over it, as crazy as that sounds.  DH often walks the dogs so he just lets them pull.  To be honest I've kind of given up.  Makes me SOOOOO mad (at DH).
  • imageNamasteak:

    We have 2 strong lab mixes and have  had a lot of success with a front clip harness. We were introduced to them by a trainer who had originally suggested a halti for Mendel (he never got used to it). The front clip harness turns the dog to the side every time they pull too far ahead or if you want to correct a behavior. 

    They are only about $15 and take just as long to put on/take off as a leash does (we just keep the leash clipped to the harness and then slip the harness over their heads and use the clip that is under the belly). 

     I think its the same brand that makes the gentle leader/halti...they are located on the leash aisle at petsmart/petco

    We picked one of those up the day we adopted him and it does diddly squat.  :-(  I think they work for a majority of dogs....just not Renzo.  Our lab Boston is an angel in one!!  :-)

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  • imagenital:

    LLW is hard.  It took me 4 dogs and working for a trainer to finally get my technique down.  Unfortunately, after years of pulling....the dogs I have the hardest time with....mine.  But damn if I can get a foster walking nicely in a week.

    Our technique is pretty unusual.  We do a lot of inside turns (doing a 180 turn into the dog), and they learn very quickly to back out of our way because we will walk into them if they dont.  Once they get that, then we start walking, and if the dog tries to get ahead of us, we simply do an inside turn to push them back.  My boss once accidentally got a dog walking nicely in record time because she started training, then got a very frustrating phone call and started pacing back and forth, forgetting she still had a dog.  Dog ended up LLW perfectly after 30 min because she didn't have a choice.

    Hah, that's awesome.

    I've tried doing the 180 turn into the dog and he is oblivious.  He'll look for a nanosecond at what is running into him and then just pull the other way.

     ***

    Someone told me that GSPs are especially hard to LLW because in the field they are trained to GO and be somewhat independent only looking back to you when they are unsure what to do and need a command.  I think that is the perfect assessment.  Except Renzo never looks to me for a command because his "job" is to pull as hard as he can to smell things and find squirrels.

     

    I LOOOOOOOOOVE him but HAAAAAAATE walking him.

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  • imagedexteroni:
    Yes, Quincy.  He cannot *not* pull.  We've tried the 180-degree turn thing - we've walked back and forth in front of our house so many times that our neighbors probably thought we were losing our minds - and he still pulls with all his might.  It's so frustrating. 

    Haha, yeah, I've tried doing the 180 thing when he starts to pull, but he is never NOT pulling so I make it one step, turn, one step, turn.....rinse and repeat.  We get NOWHERE and he learns nothing.  Uuuuugh.

    ***

    My coworker suggested working on leash manners in the living room and then the backyard and then the public sidewalk.  I've been trying that but the SECOND he gets out of the house all bets are off and he forgets everything.  He is an angel in the house and does everything perfectly.  

    I GIVE UP!  Stick out tongue

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  • imageMrsKizdoodle:

    imagedexteroni:
    Yes, Quincy.  He cannot *not* pull.  We've tried the 180-degree turn thing - we've walked back and forth in front of our house so many times that our neighbors probably thought we were losing our minds - and he still pulls with all his might.  It's so frustrating. 

    Haha, yeah, I've tried doing the 180 thing when he starts to pull, but he is never NOT pulling so I make it one step, turn, one step, turn.....rinse and repeat.  We get NOWHERE and he learns nothing.  Uuuuugh.

    ***

    My coworker suggested working on leash manners in the living room and then the backyard and then the public sidewalk.  I've been trying that but the SECOND he gets out of the house all bets are off and he forgets everything.  He is an angel in the house and does everything perfectly.  

    I GIVE UP!  Stick out tongue

     

    Our trainer suggested this for us. In the house, she's great. In class, she's FANTASTIC. Around the block? She's kind of a lunatic. We absolutely have to use a prong collar to have some sort of structure.  It's seriously frustrating. Sometimes I think the trainer doesn't believe us when we say she pulls outside of class because she's so great inside of class!

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  • Nital, I would like you to come train this for me, especially in fun places like a show site.  Pretty please, you know you want to come to Maryland.

    My newest solution - jog because he never pulls then so we have a great time and he keeps me going, although I freaking hate running.

    My sweet boy
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  • nitalnital member
    Tenth Anniversary 10000 Comments Combo Breaker
    imageTheLinkBride:

    Nital, I would like you to come train this for me, especially in fun places like a show site.  Pretty please, you know you want to come to Maryland.

    My newest solution - jog because he never pulls then so we have a great time and he keeps me going, although I freaking hate running.

    Heh.  If it weren't for this pesky job and this kid...I'd love to be a traveling pestle trainer/pet sitter.  How fun would that be?  Maryland sounds awesome since it will soon be a thousand degrees here.  And seafood in Phoenix?  I dont think so.

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  • For us it was all about treats. I had a top clip harness and a treat bag when I worked with Lola on LLW. When she would pull I would move the tension to the top of the harness so it was uncomfortable for her to keep tension on the harness and when she started easing up I would say "heel!" then give her a treat. Once she understood "heel" meant give the leash some slack she was pretty awesome at it. She is also highly treat motivated.
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  • Carl is impossible. He must either be in a strict heel, or pulling so hard he'll dislocate your shoulder. There is no middle ground with him. 
  • imageOfficiallyHollyC:
    For us it was all about treats. I had a top clip harness and a treat bag when I worked with Lola on LLW. When she would pull I would move the tension to the top of the harness so it was uncomfortable for her to keep tension on the harness and when she started easing up I would say "heel!" then give her a treat. Once she understood "heel" meant give the leash some slack she was pretty awesome at it. She is also highly treat motivated.

    Unfortunately he doesn't give two hoots about treats when we're not in the house.  It's like he is trying to ignore us when we're outside.  I'll try to get him to look at me and he'll look everywhere else but at me.  It's super frustrating.  

    So....when we went on our walk last night DH walked him because I just didn't want to deal with him!  :-(

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