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Re: S/O Rascal drivers: What do you eat?
I think it depends on what you eat. I try for egg whites and veggies. The more the better and maybe an ounce of cheese. I would say it is around 300 calories and I am pretty full until lunch.
I do better with staying full if I have a little protien. Eggs, cheese, yogurt, tofu. Doesn't have to be a lot.
I look for high-protein/low-cal options. Which is why I like the Kashi cereals.
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Does not compute.
You have to find what works for you - for me, protein does nothing in the morning. I need complex carbs and fat. I have a piece of toast and a tbs of pb when I leave the house, and 1 cup of cooked oats (cooked in water, sweetened with splenda, sue me) and some raisins for a snack. That's around 400 calories combined. If I don't run (I run at lunch before I eat), it's fine until lunch. If I'm running, I add another 200 calories in the form of more oatmeal, a banana, some cream in the oatmeal so that I don't bonk. That's about right for me.
you could try splitting up your breakfast and eating 200 calories or so two times before lunch.
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I find if i make breakfast nachoes (two eggs scrambled, two flour tortillas, 2 T of cheese and all the salsa I want) I can make it to lunch no problem. If I have the same number of calories but eat cinnomon rolles (like this morning) I'm hungry again at 9:30.
Most mornings I have about 1/2 a cup of grape nuts and 1/2 cup of greek yogurt and I'm good until about 11:30
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Also, in theory, a 400-ish cal breakfast isn't a bad thing, provided your other meals aren't much more than that, either.
So if you're eating a 400 cal breakfast, lunch and dinner, with 100-200 cal snacks in between, that's 1600 calories a day. That's perfectly fine.
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I'm very hungry by lunch time. I just try to stay busy between breakfast and lunch so I'm not thinking about it. I also eat lunch at around 11:30 which is a little on the early side.
I have made this recently too....it is very yummy (pictures might help as it made it more appealing for me
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http://greenlitebites.com/2012/01/25/light-western-egg-white-sandwich/
I eat a whole sandwich, though, for about 240 and then the cheese (those WW spreads are about 60 calories)
I'm not sure that's true - but it could very well be years at a normal BMI before your hormones adjust. IIRC, it's not really known. But yeah, that aspect sucks sooooooo hard. While I don't love the idea of diet pills, it would be a great boon if there was a drug that could help with this. It's hard to see how it would not be totally abused though.
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I saw that as well, but wonder (as a rascal avoider as well) if it is actual hunger or not tackling the "I want to eat" or "A bite of this is not a big deal" or at least a combination of the 2. For me, once the weight is gone, I may be hungry, but not all the time. I may just want to eat. Or, I have to eat something low in calorie or suck down water so that my desire is filled. For me, I am an emotional eater. Always have been. That is the battle..not really that of true hunger.
It's real hunger. Biochemically the hormone that tells your body you need to eat is elevated in people who are or were overweight. And in many people, the hormone that signals satiety cannot effectively signal. It's not just emotion - it's true hunger.
ETA: sorry - of course there is a behavioral/emotional component as well - that's huge. It's just that overcoming those is even more complicated when your body is telling you that you NEED to eat.
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This is the difference between understanding hunger v. cravings. I think if you have been overweight for a long time, you have to probably be pretty intellectual about it. Like, "I think I'm hungry, but what am I physically feeling?" Hunger is a physical condition, with a physical manifestation: gurggly stomach, watering mouth. Late hunger would include maybe a light headache, some inability to focus or concentrate.
"Craving" is just wanting to eat something, it "sounds" good. You can't stop thinking about the texture or, for me, the salt content. I would imagine that that doesn't go away for a long, long time. It must be like having an itch you can't scratch.
Here is a dated but still relevant article on hunger and satiety hormones and obesity. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500164_162-543614.html
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I definitely get that (and have felt the desire to eat and my stomach growls and all), but I feel that it is a combination of biology and my brain just wanting food. That is why I said eating low cal snacks or water just to help with that break. Just a thought and maybe it is more just me (I was overweight for many,many years and by more than 20 lbs...a bit more to not get too specific) so I don't want anyone to feel I am attacking or talking out of my arse.
As a former overweight person, I have to track what I'm eating. Always and forever. It sucks, but that's just what I have to do. However, sticking with whole foods does help when I don't feel like tracking - I eat my weight in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and proteins pretty much every day, it seems. If I feel my pants getting tighter, then I really look into my habits and become more rigid temporarily.
I do WW, so I use Points, but I *think* my breakfast is around 400 calories - 2 hard-boiled eggs, a banana, and coffee with cream and Splenda. Or maybe that's closer to 300. I swear, eggs are just wonderful and magical at keeping me full. Sometimes I'll add a protein shake after a tough workout, which is another 200-250 calories.
I eat really light dinners these days - a small homemade bean burrito and a side of veggies, or a small veggie burger with a side of veggies. My lunches are the biggest meals of the day, which I've found helpful. It's usually some combo of PB&J, a salad, and a soup. Plus Greek yogurt, which fills me up like whoa. It's nice not being ravenous by the time I get home from work.
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Fair enough. And it probably varies from person to person based on metabolism, genetics, activity, etc. I think the bottom line is that while calories and and out are key, the genetic and "environmental" background of every individual can greatly confound that equation.
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I'm curious about this as well. I'm a believer that if someone is morbidly obese (god, I hate that term) then weight loss needs to be addressed on more then just a physical level. It's not just measuring calories and adding in physical activity.
The psychological issues surrounding food and eating need to be addressed as well. Is someone feeding an addiction? Filling a void? Dealing with a trauma through eating? It's not always this way but our relationship with food can be so fraught with emotions that to ignore that aspect is only seeing half of the picture.
I believe there is a drug in phase III trials that is very promising... off to look...
ETA: Qnexa. But there are side effects: http://news.yahoo.com/fda-panel-recommends-approval-diet-drug-qnexa-215339424--abc-news.html
Even cooler - but still in preclinical development, is a ghrelin vaccine. The results in mice were really impressive. http://www.news-medical.net/news/20110606/Anti-ghrelin-vaccine-decreases-food-intake-and-increases-calorie-burning-in-mice.aspx
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Most definitely. Heck, I have another 40 lbs to go until I reach my goal (though I am going more for comfort in my skin than an actual number on the scale), but it was more of just a question. I read the article (thanks for posting) and I realize it will always be a battle for me. Food is an addiction, for me, much like cigarettes etc are for others and it is one day at a time. But, I have never felt so hungry or been set to a schedule as MW mentioned (though that may be temporary due to her (@)), but I do feel the desire to eat on a regular with hunger pangs mixed in though I do usually attribute them more to desire than actual hunger. That may just be how I'm made, though.
This will be interesting because I agree with Tef, that there's a combination of things going on. One is going to be the actual hunger that you mention (that I actually wasn't even aware of) and the other is going to be the cravings or the habit of eating. I wonder if it will be like stomach stapling where people will think it's a silver bullet only to discovery that it only addresses something physical and they're still going to have to figure out the part that's emotional/psychological.
Oh man, me too, and so I'm also personally biased against calorie counting. It makes me nutters after a few days and I barely made it through a 2 week weight watchers trial when I was trying to lose baby weight.
Ditto all of the pp's about waiting until after weaning (or at least until LO is not nursing much) for any serious fat loss efforts. I wasted a lot of stress trying to lose weight that wasn't going to budge without some unreasonable compromises.
That's interesting about the hunger issue. I still battle with wanting to eat in a snacky fashion rather than 2-3 meals even though I physically and mentally feel better with more consolidated eating. Plus, post rascal I'm pretty sure I was contributing to the decline of my dental health with snacking even though a majority was typical healthy fare. And rascal or not, my real hungry feelings have never been an issue; I mostly over-ate for entertainment and social reasons... not because a hungry feeling was gnawing away in my gut.
FWIW, my nutritionist recommended making breakfast one of my highest calorie meals of the day. Some days my breakfast is 400 - 500 calories. I like those days.
I think the bottom line is that you have to find what works for you. I agree with epp that calories in - calories out is an oversimplification. For me, personally, there's a huge type II diabetes risk factor in my family, and through trial and error I've found that even though I currently don't have type II diabetes, nor am I exhibiting any signs of having it, my body is responding great to eating like I *do* have it - so a lower carb, higher protein diet. I also have high cholesterol, so I currently am not eating red meat/shrimp/hydrogenated oils, and I've cut out a ton of processed foods and as much HFCS as I can find. I do track calories, but that's because I am actively trying to lose weight.
For about 5 minutes I considered going Paleo/Primal. Then I rethought that plan. My nutritionist (who yes, is an RD) is also not a fan of paleo/primal, which I find interesting. I personally like the idea of not loading up on a bunch of processed crap, and sticking to fruits, veggies, and leaner meats - but I also don't think there's anything wrong with dairy and grains either.
A life without cheese is not a life worth living. FACT.
Oh, absolutely.
Bridey - for me breakfast is hit or miss in terms of how hungry I will be. A bowl of Kashi with a banana and milk keeps me full until 11ish (if I have it at 530) but a bowl of fiber one cereal with a banana has me hungry at 9 am.
I also think epphd raises a good point about the calorie count in healthy foods. People will say "have bread with some PB!". But peanut butter isn't really low calorie. Oatmeal with PB (my go to winter breakfast) is pretty caloric, especially since I use milk in my oatmeal and I include a banana. So I noticed that I was eating all these healthy foods but again the portions were getting me.
All these responses have convinced me that I'm just a fatty. I have tried pretty much every breakfast mentioned here, and unless I up the portion size to get at least 500 calories, I will be hungry within 3 hours. So if I eat breakfast at 6:30, I'll be ready for lunch at 9:30.
Womp womp.
Ditto. Not everyone can eat three square meals a day and that's it. I need to eat every 3-4 hours or else I die. When I mentioned what I eat for breakfast and lunch, I should have mentioned that I do spread it out - eggs at 6:30/7:00, coffee at 8:00, banana at 9:30/10:00, then lunch at 12:00.
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