Too late for a vaccine debate?

navy&violet

It is about that time for OCT 2012 board to discuss vaccines.  And so far it is scary.  http://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/10804645/ShowForum.aspx

 

 

 

navy&violet

better link http://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/64596187.aspx

 

 

 

arborgold

"Herd immunity is a myth"???!?!?!

Where is epphd when we need her? 

The_Jen626

I was just coming over here to post this.  OMG.  The stupid is burning my eyes.

Stephiehun

Didn't some of us have a FB debate with the woman who insists her son has a vaccine injury, and wasn't it decided she is completely bonkers?  I can't remember who was FB friends with her...

PolishWonder

LOL, I knew I loved you girls! I was just going to round up the herd!

Sibil

Stephiehun:

Didn't some of us have a FB debate with the woman who insists her son has a vaccine injury, and wasn't it decided she is completely bonkers?  I can't remember who was FB friends with her...

Yeah, I've seen her around.  I don't know about the fb stuff, but anyone who "detoxes" from vaccines is certifiably nuts.

orangeblossom

I just can't tonight.  All kinds of misinformation in that post.  

mxolisi

The streak of anti-intellectualism in my generation seriously concerns me. Your "research" is better than trusting doctors and the CDC on medical research? FML our nation is doomed.

Aknight1986

I may have shed a tear reading all of that. I may as well prepare my son for the fact that half his classmates may die of polio when he's in elementary school because their parents are dumbasses. At least grieving over the preventable deaths of his friends will build his character, right?

taratru

omg. That OP has been a nutbar since day one. 

pixy_stix

Aknight1986:

I may have shed a tear reading all of that. I may as well prepare my son for the fact that half his classmates may die of polio when he's in elementary school because their parents are dumbasses. At least grieving over the preventable deaths of his friends will build his character, right?

See, this is what I don't get. We can still see TODAY the ravages of polio. DH had a customer last week whose legs were completely wasted by the disease. People are willingly allowing their children to go unprotected, because of the very slight chance that vaccines may hurt their children. 

taratru

pixy_stix:

Aknight1986:

I may have shed a tear reading all of that. I may as well prepare my son for the fact that half his classmates may die of polio when he's in elementary school because their parents are dumbasses. At least grieving over the preventable deaths of his friends will build his character, right?

See, this is what I don't get. We can still see TODAY the ravages of polio. DH had a customer last week whose legs were completely wasted by the disease. People are willingly allowing their children to go unprotected, because of the very slight chance that vaccines may hurt their children. 

But, I read it on the interwebz that one person out of eleventy billion had something bad happen! OMGWTF!!!!  It is Anecdote City over there, population Way Too Many.

Aknight1986

pixy_stix:

Aknight1986:

I may have shed a tear reading all of that. I may as well prepare my son for the fact that half his classmates may die of polio when he's in elementary school because their parents are dumbasses. At least grieving over the preventable deaths of his friends will build his character, right?

See, this is what I don't get. We can still see TODAY the ravages of polio. DH had a customer last week whose legs were completely wasted by the disease. People are willingly allowing their children to go unprotected, because of the very slight chance that vaccines may hurt their children. 

Preaching to the choir. My uncle had polio as a child (in the late forties I think) and he still limps. 

pixy_stix

taratru:

But, I read it on the interwebz that one person out of eleventy billion had something bad happen! OMGWTF!!!!  It is Anecdote City over there, population Way Too Many.

Nature's way of thinning the herd, I guess. 

pixy_stix

Sibil:

Stephiehun:

Didn't some of us have a FB debate with the woman who insists her son has a vaccine injury, and wasn't it decided she is completely bonkers?  I can't remember who was FB friends with her...

Yeah, I've seen her around.  I don't know about the fb stuff, but anyone who "detoxes" from vaccines is certifiably nuts.

Was it me? I linked to a blog of a FB friend, and this sounds vaguely familiar. 

Mamasaurus

Oh, wow. I am looking at the comments on this board and realizing I am apparently the only vaccine skeptic on here.

(For the record I am not one of those tin foil hat, Jenny McCarthy ones. I am only planning to skip two for my daughter and space out a few others, and I had my DTAP booster well before TTC. I still think that people who act like the CDC is God but don't raise an eyebrow when they change recommendations back and forth are a lot closer in mentality to the Jenny McCarthyites than they will ever admit. Blind obedience is blind obedience.)

I'm going to bed now but anticipate waking up to a river of flame.

MrsAJL

Stephiehun:

Didn't some of us have a FB debate with the woman who insists her son has a vaccine injury, and wasn't it decided she is completely bonkers?  I can't remember who was FB friends with her...

She is on my local board and I'm FB friends with her. I don't agree with just about every opinion she holds on vaccines, however I do believe that he son did have a serious vaccine related reaction.

epphd

Aknight1986:

pixy_stix:

Aknight1986:

I may have shed a tear reading all of that. I may as well prepare my son for the fact that half his classmates may die of polio when he's in elementary school because their parents are dumbasses. At least grieving over the preventable deaths of his friends will build his character, right?

See, this is what I don't get. We can still see TODAY the ravages of polio. DH had a customer last week whose legs were completely wasted by the disease. People are willingly allowing their children to go unprotected, because of the very slight chance that vaccines may hurt their children. 

Preaching to the choir. My uncle had polio as a child (in the late forties I think) and he still limps. 

Yup - my dad had polio.  And he's had both knees replaced. Interesting story - one summer he spent 10 days in his summer camp's infirmary with.. mumps.  But yeah, heard immunity is a myth.  I have to go to bed but I'll maybe check in over there tomorrow.  I don't know if I have it in my tonight. 

epphd

OK, it's too far gone for me to get involved but I lurve that "ingrediants" made an appearance on page 4.  And that catnip or whatever her name is keeps referring to "all the junk" in vaccines - as though there are components that are just useless and in there for funsies.  Or that have been proven to be dangerous.  No, her children just "honor their body's immune systems."  Feel free to "honor" yours - I'll challenge mine.  And when my kid comes into contact with measles, pertussis, HPV or other vaccine preventable illnesses, we'll see who fares better. ::headdesk::

Gretchenindisguise

I had dinner out with an old classmate on Saturday. Her son has an immune disorder, basically he doesn't have one. Literally. He's 3.5 is in the hospital all the time and has almost died several times. Vaccines obviously don't work for him, his body cannot build immunity, so he keeps getting illnesses over and over. They really can't bring him outside, and to go to school he'll have to get an IV line for antibodies to help keep him healthy. 

These asshats are knowingly putting her son in danger and it makes me want to kick puppies. Makes me absolutely furious. Full stop.  

Gretchenindisguise

Wait, is "bump hump" something new? Am I really late to this party?

orangeblossom

Mamasaurus:

Oh, wow. I am looking at the comments on this board and realizing I am apparently the only vaccine skeptic on here.

(For the record I am not one of those tin foil hat, Jenny McCarthy ones. I am only planning to skip two for my daughter and space out a few others, and I had my DTAP booster well before TTC. I still think that people who act like the CDC is God but don't raise an eyebrow when they change recommendations back and forth are a lot closer in mentality to the Jenny McCarthyites than they will ever admit. Blind obedience is blind obedience.)

I'm going to bed now but anticipate waking up to a river of flame.

 I don't think the CDC makes drastic changes recommendations that often. 

In my mind,more research could result in recommendation changes, and I could be wrong, but the only major changes they've made in the last couple of years is recommending the flu vaccine for those ages 6mos and up, boosters for dtap for middle school aged children  and using the cocooning technique with regard to newborns and close family or caregivers getting Dtap.

Are their specific changes you're referring to? 

 

 

maggie78

mxolisi:

The streak of anti-intellectualism in my generation seriously concerns me. Your "research" is better than trusting doctors and the CDC on medical research? FML our nation is doomed.

That's because they googled it, and google trumps all...

TefLepOM

Mamasaurus:

Oh, wow. I am looking at the comments on this board and realizing I am apparently the only vaccine skeptic on here.

(For the record I am not one of those tin foil hat, Jenny McCarthy ones. I am only planning to skip two for my daughter and space out a few others, and I had my DTAP booster well before TTC. I still think that people who act like the CDC is God but don't raise an eyebrow when they change recommendations back and forth are a lot closer in mentality to the Jenny McCarthyites than they will ever admit. Blind obedience is blind obedience.)

I'm going to bed now but anticipate waking up to a river of flame.

I won't flame you but pray you live far away from me. Science is so subjective, I agree (/endsarcasm)

IrishBrideND

With vaccines, its more like an aluminum foil hat.

 

I couldn't read past the first 15 responses or so. It angered me too much. I can't deal with that level of ignorance. 

is_it_over_yet?

Mamasaurus:

Oh, wow. I am looking at the comments on this board and realizing I am apparently the only vaccine skeptic on here.

(For the record I am not one of those tin foil hat, Jenny McCarthy ones. I am only planning to skip two for my daughter and space out a few others, and I had my DTAP booster well before TTC. I still think that people who act like the CDC is God but don't raise an eyebrow when they change recommendations back and forth are a lot closer in mentality to the Jenny McCarthyites than they will ever admit. Blind obedience is blind obedience.)

I'm going to bed now but anticipate waking up to a river of flame.

What "back and forth" recommendations is the CDC putting out?

Also, please feel free to share the science that backs up your decision to deviate from the recommended vaccination schedule. Believe it or not, this board responds well to intelligent, fact-based discussions. 

mrsbecky07

to that thread.  How are so many people "against" vaccines?!?

ETA: although I am loving the part where the PCErs show up.  Where's the badge!!

Mjmksb04

That one description of what it was like to have pertussis as a high schooler makes me cry to think of an infant having it Anyone catch the gem at the end of how her brother became autistic after getting the MMR vax?

tartaruga

I posted even though I know it's probably useless. Sigh...

MeredithE

I don't see how anyone can continue to nonvax after that pertussis story.