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s/o vaccines-would you keep your kids away from non-vaxed kids?
We know 2 families that don't vaccinate their school aged kids. One doesn't do it b/c of severe allergies and the other doesn't do it for tin hat reasons.
We've had the opportunity to have our 14 month old around their kids and now that I know they don't vax I don't want to bring her around them.
Thoughts? If you knew someone didn't vax would you avoid them? If so, when is an appropriate or safe time to bring them around?
Re: s/o vaccines-would you keep your kids away from non-vaxed kids?
I don't know. Because B will be fully vaxed, he shouldn't have too much of an issue.
I am sympathetic to those who don't vaccinate for legitimate reasons. They're one of the reasons the tin foil hat people piss me the hell off.
ETA: OH. But for THEIR kid's safety, ditto Maj. I'm a b!tch like that. I would just ask your friend who doesn't vax for legit reasons if there are any precautions you should take. But, generally, they probably have a good idea already what they can and can't do, so if they're asking you for a playdate, then I would feel comfortable with it.
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Not possible where I live, they are EVERYWHERE and are not always who one would expect.
This is where I'm at. I certainly wouldn't be bringing a child who hasn't received their full immunizations around them, though.
My main "problem" would be that they probably wouldn't want me hanging around after I voiced my opinions about them non-vaccing.
Not unless my kid couldn't be vaxxed because of medical reasons. But as long as my kids were up to date on their shots, I wouldn't care.
However, I couldn't bring myself to spend time with a moron who wouldn't vax their kid for non-medical reasons so in that sense, the kids aren't hanging out anyway.
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it makes me not want to bring my son around their kids, but more so because I realize that I lose respect for them. It is interesting to me how parenthood shifts how you view friends... for me this is a big one. I have a hard time respecting people who dont vax fo the tin-foil-hat reasons, and I have a hard time being friends and wanting to spend time wtih people I dont respect, and whom I believe are putting my kid and others at risk.
I have a good friend whose daughter is allergic to eggs and has had to miss some shots because of that. Her husband recently received a lung transplant and is majorly compromised. Hearing about people who dont vax their kids and put these other people at risk? Livid doesnt even begin to describe it. Yeah. I dont like to be around people who piss me off that much.
Flameworthy statement?
I wouldn't let my friend bring his unvaccinated cat play with my new still-in-the-midst-of-their-vaccinations kittens. You think I'm going to let my future hypothetical kids play will kids I know to be unvaccinated, particularly for tinfoil hat reasons? Hells no.
"You don't get to be all puke-face about your kid shooting your undead baby daddy when all you had to do was KEEP HIM IN THE FLUCKING HOUSE, LORI!" - doctorwho
What is a tin hatter? I have to look this up!
If I had kids I wouldn't bring mine around the non vax ones until mine were vaxxed.
Only if I had an infant under 4-6mos. But in that case I would be more careful in germy situations anyway as a general precaution.
Other than that, I have bigger fish to fry like worrying about traffic accidents, traumatic injuries from rambunctious behavior and managing the stream of sugary crap my kid runs into... all of those are much more likely sources of injury and health problems in our lives.
Here's another one of my issues. The first family, the one with allergies, brought both of their kids to our house for a play date when my daughter was maybe 6 months old.
Neither of their kids have their full panel of vaccinations (the older child has Aspergers and allergies, the 2nd child has the bad allergies).
At the time I didn't know they didn't have vaccinated kids. If I had known that, I would have never in a million years had them over. I was kind of angry when I found out later on that they don't vax and brought their kids around a young baby. If they're not going to vaccinate, they should take that into consideration when they bring their kids around babies who haven't had a lot of vaccinations yet.
Not flameworthy at all.
We do limited vaxes with our PWD boy because he has an auto-immune disorder. But he got all his puppy vaxes and he sure as hell doesn't play with strange dogs unless we know they're fully vaxed as well. The idiots who don't do puppy/kitten vaxes drive me just as crazy as the parents of children do.
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OMG, I am dying at this, just dying! I cannot help myself.
Yes, managing red dye and HFCS is suuuuch a full time job. lololololol
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Fully agree, and this is a good example. An unvacced cat can decimate a litter of kittens. I make sure all my animals are up to date on their shots, even the cats who don't go outside. You can't tell when you're going to be in contact with an infectious animal and bring something into your home.
that's a tough one. I knew my sister didn't vax her kids - I think she believes in it now, but didn't when they were little. I was pretty effing pissed when she took her kids to a pox party, didn't tell me and then brought them around my infant son who was too young for the varicella vax. It certainly is tempting to not bring your kids around kids who aren't vaxed, especially when they're infants and not fully vaxed. But, I just don't know if it's always practical.
In the end, she paid for it 3x over though. All 3 of her kids got the chicken pox ... all 3 weeks apart from the one before (so 9 weeks total of chix pox in her house
).
In general, yes, I would keep them away if I knew.
First, its different with a baby vs. a 2+ year old who isn't getting shots all the time anymore. I think now she gets a shot like once a year? Its not like she's too small to get the full benefit from a vax anymore, kwim?
DD was in a home daycare, and she got colds ALL.THE.TIME. DCP would sit her grandkids from time to time and turns out her grandson (who was about 7?) LOVED DD and I think got her (and everyone else) sick often since he was in school. Even fully vaxxed school aged kids are still germ pits.
It really depends on what they aren't vaxxing for. I don't care if they aren't vaxxing for flu and chicken pox as much as I care about those other diseases that even fully vaxxed kids can still catch illnesses from and still need boosters. It also depends on if there is a flare of that particular illness in the area (like California with whooping cough).
Also, if I feel a kid is simply getting sick a lot I'm going to keep DD away. Some babies have older siblings that are always bringing illnesses home.
This reminds me - I love DDs daycare so much for this reason. They've stopped so many illnesses in their tracks and those are just the ones I know about. They've even implemented new procedures for us to keep germ passing down. Just with this last cold DD had, she got another ear infection and I was out for 2 days with it. It really benefits everyone in the family to keep the colds down.
Fwiw I agree w/ you to a certain extent. My dd is in dc and gets sick a lot - colds and such - even though I freaking bf'd her for a year. I believe I can't shelter my kid and protect her all the time from getting sick. I believe some germs are good for her immunity. We don't use antibacterial soap or hand sanitizer, just normal soap.
I disagree with you about the flu though. The flu can kill even grown adults. We all get a flu shot in our house and will continue to do so. In fact, it's more common and easy to get the flu b/c there are so many different strains, so many people don't vax against it, and it's mutating all the time.
ZB got her last round at her 18 month appt.
That's great. Can you tell me more about this? What are they doing?
He didn't get any shots at his 18 month except for flu so my pedi must be following a different schedule.
It depends.
If there is a pertussis outbreak in my area, I am keeping my child away from non-vaccinated people, including adults. While she is an infant, I don't even plan to take her to the mall or grocery store if there's an outbreak. On the other hand, I do not know or care which of the people in my social circle get flu shots, so once my child is past a certain age, I'm not going to sweat it. I don't think my friends on a delayed schedule are going to expose my kid to, say, polio, but if there is an outbreak of something like measles, I will talk to them about where they have taken their child and how many of the shots in the MMR series they have given.
So, I guess my answer is, "I would take it on a case by case basis." It's not black and white to me, but then again, neither are vaccines in general.
FWIW, people who are recently vaccinated with a live vaccine can also spread the disease through viral shedding. This is especially so for diseases that spread through a fecal-oral route. If you are going to go so far as to keep your kids away from any child who hasn't had some vaccines or is on a delayed schedule (and you didn't say that you necessarily would), you should also keep your kids away from recently-vaccinated children if they haven't completed all of their shots yet.
I would let them be around only after my kid was fully vaxed.
Actually, when it was rec'd by several dentists that DD go under general anesthesia to get her 4 front teeth capped, yes, I had to be fairly attentive in managing her feeding and oral care. It was worthwhile. DD had the teeth treated minimally and the rest of the work in healing and maintenance is done by paying attention to our nutrition and habits. Almost 2 yrs later, her 4 front teeth are a li'l scraggly from enamel lost but otherwise completely healthy and I feel confident that she can carry on like that and avoid what I went through for much of my life. Most people go for the surgery or some drill & fill sessions at the dentist and carry on with brushing & flossing as usual. I guess in that case it's a full time job to pay the bills so we have a choice where to spend our resources.
as long as my kids are vaxed for the same things those kids would need to be vaxed for by their age - i would be fine around them.... but i wouldn't bring a baby around those kids ... sure- i brought my babies out in public - and it's a risk you take- but if i KNOW that a family doesn't vax- and they have older kids- i wouldn't chance it - since it is something i know i can control.
I actually have. PTS couldn't get her MMR until she was 18 mos old and we visited CA right after her 1st birthday. My aunt did not vaccinate her two kids. I didn't get vocal about it because you know, family harmony and all that, but I did find reasons why PTS couldn't come over to their house.
K will be vaccinated on schedule and all of our friends here have also vaccinated on schedule so it's not an issue. But until he's gotten his MMR and has completed his DTaP sequence, I would keep him away from nonvaccinated kids. It just hasn't been an issue we've confronted because all of our friends have vaccinated and vaccinated on time.
The sad thing is, you wouldn't have to be nervous if more people were complying. I get what you're saying that if you're unvaccinated, you're unvaccinated. Not much difference other than the sort of "moral" aspect (heh heh heh). I'm just saying, as someone who had to delay the MMR for her kid, believe me, I was counting down the minutes till she could get it.
No, it's the same schedule. The CDC recommends a range on some vaccines. The MMR is recommended anytime between 12 mos and 18 mos. So ZB just got it on the late end of things.
This is actually my biggest pet peeve about not-vaxing. I feel like as the parent of two healthy children who can receive their vaccines on time, that it's my moral obligation to do it for those kids/people who can't be or are immuno-compromised for whatever reason. If I actually had a kid who couldn't be vaxed, I'd be the loudest, angriest b-i-t-c-h about people who choose to not vax for stupid, tinfoil hat reasons.
It has driven me crazy since Jackson was an infant b/c I met someone then whose daughter couldn't be vaccinated and it just bugged me so much that there were people with kids who could help keep her from getting terrible illnesses, but didn't b/c Jenny McCarthy told them they shouldn't vax their kids. It's ridiculous to think about to me. I don't get it.