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i could look this up online, but i'm concerned about being spoiled for anything coming up since i've just finished the first book in the series.
I don't know if this is a spoiler OR speculation, so if you have only watched the tv show go away. 
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SO.... Jon Snow is Lyanna's son, right? I really really hoped that there would be some solid resolution to Ned's constant remembrances of her deathbed promises, but unless i skipped over it (i'm a speed reader, this sometimes happens) he doesn't remember the full promise to the reader's benefit, right? it's just implied? or am i taking the milk of the poppy here? and if Lyanna's the father is Rhaegar, right?
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I thought that for a while too, but I'm pretty sure that something in one of the later books disabused me of that notion.
ETA: You mean that he's really Lyanna and Robert's son and not Ned's at all, right? That's what I thought too, but then some things later led me to believe that wasn't the case. But who knows what will come out in the next couple of books?
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This, there are lots of theories on fan forums/sites, but it's never been firmly stated in any of the books.
again, just from the first book, but I never thought Robert and Lyanna consummated their relationship? Or did they?
No no. She is just speculating. If you've read the first book or seen the first season, you should be fine. Actually even if you haven't you should be fine. for a second I thought KCB was tossing it out as fact but from the first book we don't know anything beyond Jon Snow being Ned Stark's bastard.
The first book isn't clear on whose child Jon Snow is, other than Ned made some deeply held promise to care for him.
Honestly, other than that I don't remember. It's why I'm having to read them all again. I'm halfway through book 2 again. 6 years for a sequel is a hell of a long time in a book nerd's world. I keep mixing up plots.
6 years hell. I've only read the first two books - and that was last June, so not reallllly that long ago overall - and I have those plots all mixed up. I can't remember what happened in which book and I'm afraid i'm going to spoil the series for DH.
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Lyanna was Eddard's sister and Robert Baratheon's betrothed.
excellent, thank you. it's a possiblity, and i'm not smoking crack.
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If he's not Ned's then why would Catelyn hate him so much? That's where I get stuck on the "he's Robert's kid" thing.
I suppose if he's Robert's, he has a claim to the throne and that could work out later, if Martin gets off his AZZ and writes the next book. I must say that I much prefer the thought of Dany coming back with those dragons and taking charge.
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In the back of my mind I had always thought speculation III was probably the best answer. Nothing is ever straight forward in the books.
This is what I believe. There was some story tossed out in one of the later books about him being the son of some fisherman's daughter, but I think that will turn out to just be the cover story used to explain Ned toting around a baby on his way back from the war.
If he's not Lyanna's son, what was all of that deathbed promise stuff about? And if he's Rhaegar's, that would explain why it was such a big secret. He would have needed to be protected.
Also supporting my theory is the woman that Bran saw at the end of the last book when he's looking through the eyes of the trees - a pregnant woman who looks like Arya praying for a strong son to avenge her (or something very similar to that, details are a bit fuzzy).
And now I realize that I really, really need a life. *sigh*
I think Catelyn doesn't know that. She believes Ned when he said he's Jon's father by an unnamed commoner mistress.
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he doesn't say he's his father, he just tells Cat that "he's my blood".
This is where I'm at, because the dragon has 3 heads. Danaerys, Aegon and Jon.
I'm only in the beginning of the fifth book and I still think Ned is John Snow's father. I could have easily missed something. I always thought the Robert / Ned / Lyann triangle was a little weird.
ETA: an after reading everyone's ideas on the matter, I like the R/ L theory the best. Reason being, Ned's "he's my blood." Not "he's my son."
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Everyone assumes Ned's the father, but all he's said is "he's my blood." Ned wouldn't tell even Catelyn the truth if he's not, that would be dishonorable.
My thoughts exactly.
Ned has never told anyone, including Cat, that he wasn't.
The website linked has a lot of speculation/clues that Jon isn't Ned's son. Jon looks like a Stark, but he and Arya are always said to look alike, and Arya is said to look like her aunt Lyanna. Ned is painted as a very noble and upright man - not one who would likely father an illegitimate child. Lyanna's last words to Ned were, "promise me." Promise me what? You'll take care of my baby? You'll keep the secret? The tower Lyanna was in was guarded by Kingsguard. Who only guard those who are part of the royal family. If Rhaegar simply raped Lyanna, why would he use his personal guard to defend her? Why would he care?
If Robert had known that Lyanna and the crown prince were involved in a consensual relationship (also, he was married and already had 2 children) and had a son, shiit would have hit the fan. Jon would have been killed. Ned would have been seen as betraying Robert.
I'm very much on team "Rhaegar and Lyanna were totes in love and had a baby named Jon."
Later in the series, you'll hear mention of a guy named Howland Reed. He was the other guy who was with Ned when Lyanna was rescued. He's the only person still alive who might know the truth. And I think we will "meet" him and find out about it in a later book.
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I think Ned kept it very close to his chest. He made a promise to Lyanna or whoever and just brought Jon home as though he were his own bastard. That is my guess.
And I agree that Lyanna and Rhaegar make TONS of sense.
ETA: Also, Jon has more of what makes a ruler than many others. He would be another player in the "game of thrones" if he was actually a Targaryan.
Ok, I've only read the first three books but I clearly missed all sorts of shiiit, having just read the site that was linked. Huh.
Also, they don't mention it, but the conversations between Jon and Maester Aemon now take on a whole new light.
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I feel like I need to reread. And I totally agree that there was a reason Aemon was so fond of Jon.
ETA: Obviously I needed the link to remember about Rhaeger and forget my earlier thought that maybe John was Robert and Lyanna's.
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I just started book 3, but this is what I thought too. Wasn't there a scene in book 1/ season 1 when Robert and Ned were on the kings road back to King's Landing, and they were eating and talking about war, and Robert mentioned the woman that Ned was with that mothered Jon Snow? I swear I remember him saying "(Name) the mother of your bastard" and Ned saying something about never bringing that up again.
If it had been Lyanna, I'm thinking Robert wouldn't have been so casual about it.