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Re: Atheists - I went to Church tonight and I need to talk about it!
I think my jaw would have hit the ground.
Anyway, I think the closest I've heard to this sort of rhetoric is during the prayers during Good Friday services. These prayers are the Church's formal prayers (said throughout the world I believe) for the Church and the world. Prayers are said for the Pope, the Church, the Jewish people, non-Christians, etc. With respect to the latter groups, I think reference is made to coming to know the fullness, but Hell is never mentioned.
Speaking of jaw hitting the ground... I also went to a wedding once where the pastor repeatedly said that the only reason the bride & groom found love was because they also love Jesus. Seriously. Like at least 5 times.
That wasn't a Catholic church, though.
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Glad you are on the same page.
There are other interpretations of creation (someone/something started the whole ball rolling = God) and Virgin - not in the sexual sense, but "pure" in the sense of goodness.
I am sorry you had a bad experience. I do want to point out that the Catholic church isn't against evolution though. Their official position is that faith and the any scientific findings are not in conflict . It is called theistic evolution. I am not sure if someone else mentioned this but, figured it was worth pointing out.
I am also really surprised the priest bashed other religions or that spoke for an hour about anything. So, sorry again that you had to experience that.
Edit: To be fair I now go to a super liberal Catholic church that does collections for day labor workers and had a drag queen contingency today. We also pray for Congress to get off its butt and create more social programs. I love my church.
I'm sorry it was so awful, but I guess it answered some questions for your husband.
You know what a heathen I am, but I usually enjoy Easter church. I like the music. I'm a singer, though.
1) why was the homily an hourZ. The whole mass is an hour
2) I have never ever heard a catholic priest say non Catholics are going to hell. We don't believe that. We believe in being good people. That's why so many other Christians don't consider us Christians.
3) we believe in evolution
Are you sure you were at a catholic church lol?
Perhaps I am too stubborn then (lol, I know I am too stubborn, I just add the "perhaps" out of vanity) - but I see no reason to put aside my beliefs for someone else's. I never usually run into this issue, because its easy for me to avoid being in places where I have to compromise.
Can I ask what you would do - would you pay homage to a false god if you had to enter another faiths temple for a relatives wedding? This is not a snarky question, just in case my tone isn't coming through right!
Because on the one hand, I don't believe in any god, so I could pay homage to a sausage and it would mean nothing. But on the other hand, I am very uncomfortable with standing in front of a group of sausage worshippers and acting like I am down with it, because Im not.
Probably shouldn't have used sausage in that example, but its funny, so I wont change it!
I feel the same way about just being there. But just being there and then being expected to join in specific religious actions of ceremonies? Thats a different thing, for me. Like, I had to go to a catholic wedding a while back. No problem, I can sit in the pew, not bow my head and not pray, and not give any money as the plate is handed around. If I did any of those things, I would be either mocking, or false, or compromising my own values, and I see no reason to do that.
But I have been told I specifically have to bow to some dude as I come into the building - and as far as I can make out, it is like being told I had to pray to jesus on the way in to a christian building - and I am simply unwilling to do this.
I'm sorry your DH was so hurt about the service. I do agree that many church groups/denominations do not agree with pretty much anything that he had a problem with anyway. I like our pastor at this church because he always uses "it was written that" instead of "it was" - so "it was written that Mary was a virgin" not "Mary was a virgin."
Some people have a way of ruining it for everyone else....
We've occasionally entertained the notion of attending church when we visit my Catholic mother or ILs, just because it would mean a lot to them to show off the grandkids. We've reached the conclusion we're not going to do it until they are older, because we don't feel like spending the time fighting the kids to be quiet when they are this little, and it would go double for Easter...at least IME, that mass is so long it bores the daylights out of me, and I'm an adult. It must vary by parish, though, I've heard others say their Easter mass is no longer than any other Sunday.
Ime, the only mass that often goes longer is Palm Sunday, and that is only if the priest is sits on reading the parts in brackets. I avoid palm Sunday mass like the plague.
Mow,growing up we had a long winded priest. All of is masses were long,,lol. They finally demoted him.
I've been in many Hindu temples (I was raised Hindu) and they are generally very accepting of different traditions, given that Hinduism encompasses many different beliefs. None of the temples that I have been in have anything at the entrance to bow to. I would suspect that you can avoid bowing without much fuss.
1) Started at 730, finished at 10:25. I timed it
Now, there was a whole bunch of different stuff going on - I think regular mass, the baptism/confirmation ceremonies, some singing, some more mass, the Eucharist, some random prayers.
2) The priest implied it, wasn't said literally. Again, this is a VERY conservative area so I'm not shocked. I know that not all would say that.
3) Evolution is a dirty word in this specific church.
Oh and whomever said normally just the sponsor goes up - they did that first, and THEN the family/friends had to join and do the same thing. I didn't know that isnt common.
Good to know - thank you! Hopefully it will all be easy and smooth.
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I think I missed the part about your thinking you'd have to bow to something you do not believe in. It looks like you may not have to do so afterall. However, to answer your earlier question to me....NO, I would not take part in a religious ceremony in another house of worship that goes against my Catholic faith. So, I wouldn't be bowing in a Buddhist temple either.
I go every year... To different catholic churches and all take an hour. They don't want to tick of the Chrieasters
And I've never been to an Easter Vigil that lasted only an hour....lol.
Can I just say that I hate bowing, regardless of religious connotations? Working in countries with bowing cultures constantly freaks me out. I never know what to do and always make a fool of myself. And I spend the entire day dreading my next encounter.
I know you don't like handshakes 2V, but it just seems so much less stressful to me!
Wow.. some people really do remember everything.
Yeah, this is me. I was raised in a pretty strict Catholic church and my level of bitterness towards it is off the charts. I still identify myself as a Christian, but I feel much more "at home" at my UU church.
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I hope you didn't take that the wrong way, it wasn't intended as a dig.
Saw this and thought of this thread. Was entitled: Me when people post bible passages on Facebook.