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Re: Who doesn't value womens' right to choose their own life path?
His wealth isn't a mark against him though. His inability to effectively communicate that he understands the economic situation of the average American is, though. It's not that wealthy people can't understand the middle class. It's that Romney does not appear able to do so.
Sarah Palin.
sorry. Sarah Palin.
That's a defensible position. It remains to be seen whether this is a fundamental inability, or a communication issue, or a result of selective media focus. I haven't formed my full opinion on him yet.
Zeus and Bubba
::smacks forehead::
Duh. I was trying to think of a poster on here with those initials.
Zeus and Bubba
I guess I'm spending time and energy in another post defending the right of me and others like me to SAH as a valid, feminist choice because I like the sound of my own key-clicks.
Like others have said, being a SAH parent is a valid life choice, and a valid feminist choice. My issues with Ms. Romney are the same issues I have with her husband, their wealth makes them utterly unable to grasp what it's really like.
I am the 99%.
To be honest I think it's mostly a communication issue and I'm going to assume it's as a result of polling - people want to hear you say this, so he tries to say that, but it just doesn't come out right. I do think part of it is a "fundamental inability" as you put it and I think the media have taken off with this after he made a few comments initially. But I think mostly, he's just not wording things well because he's not being "honest." Like he's not saying what he really thinks so I think the comments are kind of distorted.
I'm not trying to imply that Romney would be all "I hate poor people!" because I don't think he would. But I think someone is giving him one-liners to use and he's just not executing them well.
I think this is a good take on him at this point.
Zeus and Bubba
i agree with you, entirely. but i wonder about this in terms of the mythical "average voter." is the MAV able to understand/does the MAV want to understand that someone who is NOT in their position and has never been in their position can be best suited to make practical, well thought-out, viable decisions about the economy that will result in improved middle- and lower-class circumstances?
there has to be a reason why everyone who has ever run for anything ever trots out some sob story about their hardscrabble upbringing, beyond the attractive american dream (myth) story. and why people ridiculed bush the first for not knowing the price of a gallon of milk. i want my president to remember the nuclear launch codes and the GDP of china, not whether publix or safeway have the better prices on whole wheat bread.
Thank you, casmgn, for saying what I kept trying say.
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This is the view I was trying to zero in on. I suppose I want to know how big of a problem that is for you? If he were more aligned with you politically (which I know he's not), would this alone lessen his appeal to you? What level of familiarity with economic struggle are you looking for in a president?
ETA: I realize that's a hard question to answer. Maybe it's more of a rhetorical question.
Zeus and Bubba
Who has that Sexual Chocolate Gif? Because this right here is the Drop the Mic and Out statement of the day.
Why can't a candidate like Mitt say, "You know what? I've been lucky. I DON'T know what it's been like to struggle to put food on the table. I DON'T know what it's like to have to choose between healtcare or buying new shoes for the kids. I DON'T know what it's like to not be sure how to pay the bills. But what I DO know is that no American should have to make those choices. I promise to fight on behalf of all Americans to ensure that blahblahblah."
Is that a campaign killer?
So, Pamela, is there any chance you intend to apologize for accusing all of us liberal women of not valuing women's right to choose their own paths?
Dude if we'd left the movements up to the conservative women all this time, we'd still be property, without a chance to vote, or file charges of abuse against our husbands.
Sorry, but I find it shockingly disrespectful to stand on the shoulders of women who gave you choices (GAVE YOU THOSE CHOICES) and spit on them over one poorly quoted source from ONE WOMAN.
LMFAO.
Who wants to take bets on how soon we see the line, "where were feminists when Rosen made those horrible comments about Ann Romney?"
lol @ you, Pamela.
The idea that you think "feminist, liberal women" as those who want to limit women's choices only shows the scope of your (limited, possibly negligible)understanding of the entire issue of equal rights and feminism itself.
Way to shitstir, my dear!
Why do you think the level of love for Kerry was so lukewarm, even among Dems? And, in large part, I think a lot of the love for Obama has to do with his bootstrappy story.
...but this is coming from the party who worship the Kennedys.
I think part of the problem isn't just that he's filthy rich, it's that he doesn't get that not everybody is. Like, the oh, I get NASCAR thing because I know people who own teams.
You can be wealthy, very wealthy, and still get it. His statements seem to show that he doesn't... and, more importantly, the continuing nature of those statements show that he doesn't get that he doesn't get it, KWIM?
I am the 99%.
I want to hump it. SO THERE.
I'm only halfway through this thread, but so far everyone seems to be running as fast as they can from the original comment that sparked all this.
And I don't understand why. She was absolutely correct - and twisting her statement into being anti-choice for women is ridiculous.
Here's the remark Rosen made: "She's never actually worked a day in her life. She's never dealt with the kind of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing."
What part of that statement is untrue, unfair, or vicious? It's a simple matter of fact, and Rosen was only able to bring it up because Romney deferred to Ann Romney in the matter of women's economic issues.
It's simply absurd that Romney can't answer a question about women and the economy without saying "I wish my wife were here, she's the expert".
So I think the counter response that someone who has never worked a day in their life outside the home (is that really true or even possible?) isn't an expert on the job market is a fair statement.
Someone brought up empathy, and said just because a candidate is rich doesn't mean he can't empathize with others who aren't. I would say that the same should be true here. When he is asked about women he should be able to empathize and have some position without looking visibly uncomfortable and saying "Where's my wife? She should answer this." Now picture Bill Clinton - someone who really had empathy - being asked the same question. He wouldn't need to hand it over to someone else.
As a conservative feminist I'd rather marry first, then engage in humping.
Thankyou.
Well said.
I'm dry humping my computer screen right now b/c of this post.
And I always get super psyched when you post b/c your little girl is just the cutest.
::butting out::
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This must be what people get annoyed with when comments like Rush is the mouthpiece of the GOP?
Thank you!!!
And I think it's a fair annoyance by conservatives.
However, there's no question that how much influence Rush Limbaugh has among conservatives is a worthwhile discussion. There is no question that he has a greater following and a greater impact on the direction of conservative thought than does Hilary Rosen vis a vis liberals. The average person may not even realize that Hilary Rosen is the evil person who was behind the evil RIAA for so long, but the average person probably realizes who Rush is.
To try to compare apples to apples, this would be a lot more salient criticism on the part of Pamela if, say, Rachel Maddow had said it - someone with a media show and a large following. This is akin to a conservative CEO saying something and someone trying to attribute that to all conservatives.
But I digress. Pamela owes us an apology. The end.
A petty deflection cloaked in a sh!tty analogy. Nice.