Vatican Reprimands a Group of U.S. Nuns and Plans Changes

TefLepOM

mysticporter:

tosababy:

Mamasaurus:

Funny how they have the time and resources to investigate their nuns for being too charitable and Christlike, but not the time or resources to stop their priests from molesting children.

andplusalso

 

Way to go back in time and beat a dead horse.

The Church currently devotes enormous resources to the protection of children.

Source other than the Church?

Where else would you get this?  They do have a zero tolerance policy, most have child protection offices now and the usccb created a training and protection program for all those that interact with kids from churches to their schools.  Not sure why the nyti would report on this, though. 

doctorwho

As opposed to the 2% tolerance policy of other organizations?  I'm sorry, but they dug their own grave in terms of how much of their resources they have to devote to interactions with children.  It doesn't get reported on because it's what should have been happening all along.

TefLepOM

doctorwho:

As opposed to the 2% tolerance policy of other organizations?  I'm sorry, but they dug their own grave in terms of how much of their resources they have to devote to interactions with children.  It doesn't get reported on because it's what should have been happening all along.

The zero percent is in even if they do not get charged by authorities...they are out.  DO not pass go.  Do not cry foul.  An air of possible disgusting, they are gone.

Yes, it should have been happening all along.

eta: Many organizations (ie schools) will put people on administrative leave, with pay.  That no longer happens in most dioceses.

IrishBrideND

I have a friend who is one of these nuns...and I am having dinner with the bishop( who lives down the street, crazy as that is ) next week. I plan to talk to both of them about this.

ButternutSquash

IrishBrideND:

I have a friend who is one of these nuns...and I am having dinner with the bishop( who lives down the street, crazy as that is ) next week. I plan to talk to both of them about this.

Oh cool! Report back please!

Mamasaurus

BQBride:

tosababy:

Mamasaurus:

Funny how they have the time and resources to investigate their nuns for being too charitable and Christlike, but not the time or resources to stop their priests from molesting children.

andplusalso

 

Way to go back in time and beat a dead horse.

 

The Church currently devotes enormous resources to the protection of children.

Let's ask all those children who were abused over decades while the church covered it up if it's a dead horse.

Mamasaurus

Heather R:

tosababy:

Way to go back in time and beat a dead horse.

The Church currently devotes enormous resources to the protection of children.

Seeing as how the abusers continue to be exposed or continue to resurface even as recently as 2011, it's not so much a dead horse.

 

 

 

Pescalita

doctorwho:

As opposed to the 2% tolerance policy of other organizations?  I'm sorry, but they dug their own grave in terms of how much of their resources they have to devote to interactions with children.  It doesn't get reported on because it's what should have been happening all along.

We're not asking for sympathy; the question was brought up, why doesn't the Church have the time and resources to devote to stopping molestation. Well, they do now. You are correct they should have been doing it all along. They can't change that now.

As for the OP, good on the nuns. I think it's a positive that they're making enough of a fuss for the Vatican to get involved. It spreads their message. What a headline - too much devotion to the poor. Plays right into the nuns' hands. Well played, ladies.  

tosababy

Pescalita:

doctorwho:

As opposed to the 2% tolerance policy of other organizations?  I'm sorry, but they dug their own grave in terms of how much of their resources they have to devote to interactions with children.  It doesn't get reported on because it's what should have been happening all along.

We're not asking for sympathy; the question was brought up, why doesn't the Church have the time and resources to devote to stopping molestation. Well, they do now. You are correct they should have been doing it all along. They can't change that now.

As for the OP, good on the nuns. I think it's a positive that they're making enough of a fuss for the Vatican to get involved. It spreads their message. What a headline - too much devotion to the poor. Plays right into the nuns' hands. Well played, ladies.  

 

2Vermont

Heather R:

ButternutSquash:

Her group was also cited in the Vatican document, along with the Leadership Conference, for focusing its work too much on poverty and economic injustice, while keeping ?silent? on abortion and same-sex marriage.

Also, how often have we heard on here "I go to a progressive and tolerant Catholic Church," and then we're reminded that those churches are straying from doctrine, etc.?  Why isn't the Vatican reprimanding those churches and their priests?  Why just the, um, "radical feminist" nuns?

 

 

Two comments

(1)  I don't see the direct quote from the document saying they are focusing too much on poverty and economic injustice.  I have a hard time believing that the Vatican would say this although I completely get why it is assumed that they did.  I think it is more likely that they said not enough focus was made on other doctrinal issues.

(2)  I can't remember when this happened, but I do know that there have been  similar investigations done on unorthodox priests/seminaries.

ETA: I believe it is this section of the document that this "quote" is coming from (definitely not the same thing as what was actually written):

The Final Report of the Apostolic Visitation of Religious Communities of Women in the United States (July, 2011) found that the formation programs among several communities that belong to the LCWR did not have significant doctrinal content but rather were oriented toward professional formation regarding particular issues of ministerial concern to the Institute. Other programs reportedly stressed their own charism and history, and/or the Church?s social teaching or social justice in general, with little attention to basic Catholic doctrine, such as that contained in the authoritative text of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. While these formation programs were not directly the object of this doctrinal Assessment, it may nevertheless be concluded that confusion about the Church?s authentic doctrine of the faith is reinforced, rather than corrected, by the lack of doctrinal content in the resources provided by the LCWR for Superiors and Formators. The doctrinal confusion which has undermined solid catechesis over the years demonstrates the need for sound doctrinal formation?both initial and ongoing?for women Religious and novices just as it does for priests and seminarians, and for laity in ministry and apostolic life. In this way, we can hope that the secularized contemporary culture, with its negative impact on the very identity of Religious as Christians and members of the Church, on their religious practice and common life, and on their authentic Christian spirituality, moral life, and liturgical practice, can be more readily overcome.

Here is a link to the actual, full assessment:

http://www.usccb.org/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&pageid=55544