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Wage differences between men and women.

Did anyone hear the Here and Now discussion on NPR this morning? 

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2012/05/03/gender-pay-gap 

What about the Meet the Press segment? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLRSc9hrL8s

 

I thought this was especially timely given FoG's post the other day. I was listening to the H&N segment on the way to work and some of the gripes were the ones that FoG and others brought up, that they were the ones who were expected to take time off to take kids to the doctors or stay home when they were sick, and how this impacts the wage gap. They also brought up that women aren't as good at negotiating initial salaries as men are, and I kicked myself for not fighting harder for my current salary.

 

Thoughts? 

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Re: Wage differences between men and women.

  • Get out of my head - I was just thinking about this! Prompted by this and a TED talk I was listening to last night.

    It also mentioned that women tend to remove themselves from aggressively pursuing work in their workplace or putting themselves in position of advancement before is necessary (anecdotally, one of them was sharing how a woman was passing up projects before she was even trying to conceive, just in anticipation of TTC) when it comes to having children.

  • Well, if you listen to Ann Romney, men simply being in the work force longer demands higher salaries. gag

    It is sad, especially when you figure that a man and woman could have en equal education, gone through all the same steps (say in becoming a doctor) and men will still make more than women. It's depressing is what it is. 

    By the by, anyone in the market for a new job, H found What Color Is My Parachute very helpful, especially when it comes to salary negotiations.  

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  • There's a great debate going on in the UO thread on 12-24 about how women should disclose that they are pregnant in interviews so that the employer can factor that into their decision... even though it's illegal.

    Women's rights, yo.

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    Well, if you listen to Ann Romney, men simply being in the work force longer demands higher salaries. gag

    It is sad, especially when you figure that a man and woman could have en equal education, gone through all the same steps (say in becoming a doctor) and men will still make more than women. It's depressing is what it is. 

    By the by, anyone in the market for a new job, H found What Color Is My Parachute very helpful, especially when it comes to salary negotiations.  

    Hmmm, I will definitely keep that in mind for my next position. I feel like I've shot myself in the foot because I took a salary decrease for this job. But it has different perks (hello sl repayment!) and H was moving so I needed it. I think it's harder to be firm on negotiations when you feel like you can't really walk away. I've never really learned about salary negotiations either. I'll read up more next time.

     

    The woman on Here and Now who does compensation research at Cornell (I think) said that even when you controlled for everything you can possibly control for, women still on average are at 5% less than men.

    What I found really interesting was the subgroupings she was talking about. There was a 50% wage gap among lawyers. And a smaller gap between African American men and women, which they attributed to the lower earnings of African American men. 

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    imageCleo29:

    Well, if you listen to Ann Romney, men simply being in the work force longer demands higher salaries. gag

    It is sad, especially when you figure that a man and woman could have en equal education, gone through all the same steps (say in becoming a doctor) and men will still make more than women. It's depressing is what it is. 

    By the by, anyone in the market for a new job, H found What Color Is My Parachute very helpful, especially when it comes to salary negotiations.  

    Hmmm, I will definitely keep that in mind for my next position. I feel like I've shot myself in the foot because I took a salary decrease for this job. But it has different perks (hello sl repayment!) and H was moving so I needed it. I think it's harder to be firm on negotiations when you feel like you can't really walk away. I've never really learned about salary negotiations either. I'll read up more next time.

     

    The woman on Here and Now who does compensation research at Cornell (I think) said that even when you controlled for everything you can possibly control for, women still on average are at 5% less than men.

    What I found really interesting was the subgroupings she was talking about. There was a 50% wage gap among lawyers. And a smaller gap between African American men and women, which they attributed to the lower earnings of African American men. 

    I remember the 50% gap between male and female doctors, this was years ago, but I don't think it has improved much.  

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  • I will definitly listen to the NPR segment tonight (I have the app on my iPad and regularly catch up on news right before bed in order to "wind down")

    Regarding women, pregnancy and the work place...one of my "corporate female heros", Sheryl Sandberg is adament about not counting yourself out until you're out.  As in, do NOT slow down your career until you're knocked up. . Do NOT say "well, I won't apply for that because I want to try for a baby next year".  Etc.

    This is a Ted talk she gave that covers a lot of the themes I (and many othe women) struggle with in regards to balancing career and parenting and household. 

     

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    It also mentioned that women tend to remove themselves from aggressively pursuing work in their workplace or putting themselves in position of advancement before is necessary
    This was true for me.  I started looking at maternity leave policies when choosing a firm out of law school. Then when I left that firm (still childless) I specifically sought out fields of law which had more work/life balance for when I had kids.  In reality, we moved cross country and I couldn't move the job so it was irrelevant. I'm ambivalent about it all now.
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    I will definitly listen to the NPR segment tonight (I have the app on my iPad and regularly catch up on news right before bed in order to "wind down")

    Regarding women, pregnancy and the work place...one of my "corporate female heros", Sheryl Sandberg is adament about not counting yourself out until you're out.  As in, do NOT slow down your career until you're knocked up. . Do NOT say "well, I won't apply for that because I want to try for a baby next year".  Etc.

    This is a Ted talk she gave that covers a lot of the themes I (and many othe women) struggle with in regards to balancing career and parenting and household. 

     

    FoG, I love her, too!  And that specific TED talk was exactly the one they were reshowing on our PBS affiliate last night that I mentioned above! Every working woman should be required to watch it! It really brings home the idea that women can be their own Achilles' heels in the workplace. 

    We had a fantastic discussion last night at home about if or how the world would be different if there really were more women CEOs, heads of states, etc. than exist currently. It was interesting to hear DH's opinion as well as flesh my own out aloud after listening to Sandberg.

  • I have a related (possibly dumb) question. Maybe one of you will know the answer.

    I've been told over and over at work that we aren't allowed to discuss our salaries with one-another.

    Is there a particular reason for this?

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    I have a related (possibly dumb) question. Maybe one of you will know the answer.

    I've been told over and over at work that we aren't allowed to discuss our salaries with one-another.

    Is there a particular reason for this?

    Yes because someone is definately making more.  If you find out, you'll also want to make more.

  • imageMooseloover:
    imageTuckyBlue:

    I have a related (possibly dumb) question. Maybe one of you will know the answer.

    I've been told over and over at work that we aren't allowed to discuss our salaries with one-another.

    Is there a particular reason for this?

    Yes because someone is definately making more.  If you find out, you'll also want to make more.

    That's what I figured. God forbid I find out someone in this place is making a living wage.

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