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This board is making me start to condone cheating.

Between lotus and ilovetocook and their ridiculously shittastic husbands, I'm starting to think that it's not the worst thing in the world for people who are married to complete wastes of life to find out that the grass actually is a helluva lot greener on pretty much every other side.  Be prepared for me to start advising women to find side pieces.
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Re: This board is making me start to condone cheating.

  • Seriously. I am shocked at the men these women are settling for in their lives!
  • I'm pretty shocked, 2! It's even more shocking when they say they can't leave because they're in love - a controlling, cheating man who you can't trust or communicate with isn't real love. Respect, trust, and positive communication is what love is about.
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  • I definitely agree, women need to realize that they are worth so much more than they are getting.
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  • Ya know I haven't read many of these other womens posts you speak of, and I don't know all their situations ( a few I agree should leave). But cheating should not always equal divorce. There are always many factors that play into it that you may be unaware of and these men can change if they TRULY want to (counseling,spiritual,ect.). If the men  don't change  then I completely agree with you that these women should leave the A-holes. Especially if there is abuse going on or if this has been an ongoing situation ( more than once). But I don't agree with other peoples opinion that cheating automatically equals divorce for all and that the girls who choose to stay are "dumb".  Just my two cents.
  • Why should any woman have to wait around, wasting years of her limited lifespan, waiting for a man to maybe change, and then never really know if he actually changed or just started hiding things better?  How does this sound like a good plan?
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  • I'll jump on the 'it's ok to cheat' bandwagon if it helps these ladies realize how crummy they really have it. The trick though is them realizing how amazing it was and leave the pos. 
  • Completely understandable. But what if it happened one time and the man did change his life around? And you are correct he could just get smarter at hiding things and that is just a chance that many women are willing to make. But as women we should not make such blanket statements about other peoples marriages. Give advice but back off the name calling ( not necessarily you, but posters in general ). This is a place for advice and sometimes to be blunt, but not cruel. To each their own, and whatever their choices are they are the ones who will have to live with it. Sometimes women just need to vent.Hence the messageboards.
  • How would the woman know he really turned his life around, and wasn't just hiding things better?  Presumably she thought he was a good guy before she found out about the cheating (hypothetically; the two people I mentioned in my original post already knew their men were awful long before the cheating came to light), and was fooled.  How would she know she wasn't just being fooled again?  She'd always wonder, never feel completely secure.  With almost three billion men in the world to choose from, it seems silly to settle for this kind of life.

    As far as it being a place for advice, though... not really.  It's a place for the Nest sponsors to get people to see their ads.  As long as that happens, it works like the rest of the internet.

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  • I think this is one of those posts where people should just agree to disagree. Obviously some people believe in change while others don't. 

     

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  • No one here (that I saw) doesn't believe in change. 
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  • Totally agree. I think that the main thing is yes if your guy was an ass before and u married him and hes still an ass then well... you should not be surprised.

    I guess I am just sensitive to the whole situation and seeing so many people say "oh he will never change" "cheating equals divorce"... Those are such blanket statements I have seen around ( not necessarily from you, but FOR SURE on this forum). You don't know what other  reasons could have led to that mental health issues,alcohol and drugs, just being a jerk. Obviously there is no excuse but there are other things we are unaware of and the internet gives such a small portion of a persons lives. Plus if you have been in a long term marriage I for certain am not willing to throw in the towel if we both are willing to work. I guess I have to keep in mind I am one of the women on this board who is not still newly married and might have a different opinion.

    But for the girl who was cheated on before multiple times.... well at that point yah get out. He obviously will not change and it doesn't sound like he actually wants to. Divorce is imminent. Sorry to rant.

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    No one here (that I saw) doesn't believe in change. 

    Well no one here straight out said that in this particular post. But I am right. There ARE people who don't believe in change. That has been proven over and over in the nest forums, 

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  • imageReturnOfKuus:
    Why should any woman have to wait around, wasting years of her limited lifespan, waiting for a man to maybe change, and then never really know if he actually changed or just started hiding things better?  How does this sound like a good plan?

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  • imageReturnOfKuus:
    Why should any woman have to wait around, wasting years of her limited lifespan, waiting for a man to maybe change, and then never really know if he actually changed or just started hiding things better?  How does this sound like a good plan?

    This is perfectly stated.

    I've been there, I've tried to work on a relationship after finding out he cheated. I've learned that for me, I cannot get past the cheating.

    Even if I thought we were past it, much later when the relationship ends, with 20/20 hindsight, I have looked back and realized that the distance between us that ultimately ended things really began with the cheating. For me, anyway. For him, maybe it was there earlier and that's why he cheated.

    Point is, I realized it had been broken since then and all I wished for was every minute of my life back from the moment I knew he had cheated.

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    No one here (that I saw) doesn't believe in change. 

    Pretty much. If my H ever cheated on me, I would leave. No matter how much he would beg me to stay and say he would change, I would be out of there. I am not a doormat.

    The thing is, maybe some guys do change, but do you really want to spend the rest of your life with the guy not being able to trust him? Ever. Again. Trust is so important in a marriage and once that trust is broken....seriously, I don't know any woman who would want to live in fear that they cannot trust that their H would not cheat on them again if it happens once already. 

  • I think once trust is broken, it's very difficult to regain it.
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    Ya know I haven't read many of these other womens posts you speak of, and I don't know all their situations ( a few I agree should leave). But cheating should not always equal divorce. There are always many factors that play into it that you may be unaware of and these men can change if they TRULY want to (counseling,spiritual,ect.). If the men  don't change  then I completely agree with you that these women should leave the A-holes. Especially if there is abuse going on or if this has been an ongoing situation ( more than once). But I don't agree with other peoples opinion that cheating automatically equals divorce for all and that the girls who choose to stay are "dumb".  Just my two cents.

     

    The point is here *

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    And your response is all the way over here *

     

    WTF are you talking about and how does it relate to what Kuus said?

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  • And in response to kuus:  I would back you 100% in this new mission.  My concern is that if you have so little self respect as to chose someone who is blatantly an *** the first time, I doubt you're going to grow a pair in time to pick a good side piece.

     

     

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  • imageReturnOfKuus:
    Between lotus and ilovetocook and their ridiculously shittastic husbands, I'm starting to think that it's not the worst thing in the world for people who are married to complete wastes of life to find out that the grass actually is a helluva lot greener on pretty much every other side.  Be prepared for me to start advising women to find side pieces.

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  • Not at all, end the relationship if you are not happy.
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  • lol, as much as I would never encourage cheating, and I really think you're sort of the type of person to cheat or you aren't, I can totally see why it might be good in their situations.  I definitely agree with ending the relationship, but wouldn't it be nice if there were a way for women to see that men aren't all abusive and horrible before they try to leave?  I have a friend who is convinced that her bad relationship is just perfectly normal, because "that's all that's out there".  My husband and I have our issues, but nothing like she does.  I wish she could basically date other men to have the confidence to leave knowing there are better ones out there. 

    That being said, I don't condone cheating, and I don't really condone putting up with cheating either.  I'm just the kind of person who would never, ever be able to get over it.  He could swear 1000 times he's a changed man, yet I'd always wonder if it was true.  I'd be a changed woman, is what I'm saying.   

  • It makes me sad to think so many women think so little of themselves that they think these assh*le husbands are worth it. Would you tell your daughter or best friend to put up with this sh*t? We wonder why men threat woman like garbage it is because they let them.
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