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No voter fraud? Ha -
EllaHella - this is for you - from Sept 12, 2012
The Washington Post reported:
A Maryland Democratic candidate quit her congressional race Monday after her own party told state officials that she had committed fraud by voting in both Maryland and Florida in recent elections.
Wendy Rosen, a small-business owner running against freshman Rep. Andy Harris (R) in the Eastern Shore-based 1st Congressional District, released a statement saying that ?with great regret, and much sorrow? she was resigning from the contest.
?Personal issues have made this the hardest decision that I have had to make,? Rosen said
Rosen?s announcement came the same day the state Democratic party released a letter to state Attorney General Douglas Gansler and state prosecutors reporting the allegations against Rosen.
?The Maryland Democratic Party has discovered that Ms. Rosen has been registered to vote in both Florida and Maryland since at least 2006; that she in fact voted in the 2006 general election both in Florida and Maryland; and that she voted in the presidential preference primaries held in both Florida and Maryland in 2008,? wrote Yvette Lewis, the state party chair. ?This information is based on an examination of the voter files from both states. We believe that this is a clear violation of Maryland law and urge the appropriate office to conduct a full investigation.?
Now, weren?t the loons at Media Matters just lecturing us that there was no voter fraud?
More? Wendy was just endorsed by the AFL-CIO. It?s not clear if this was before or after they found out she had been voting in two states.
Re: No voter fraud? Ha -
Another one from this month
by Tony Lee5 Sep 201271post a comment
A Mississippi NAACP executive is in jail after being convicted of voter fraud for fraudulently casting absentee ballots, including for four dead people.
Lessadolla Sowers, who is a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee, was convicted and sentenced in April for what a judge said were crimes that cut ?against the fabric of our free society.?
She was given a five-year sentence for each of the ten counts of voter fraud for which she was convicted, but the sentencing judge allowed her to serve the terms concurrently, according to the Tunica Times.
Matthew Vadum, author of Subversion, Inc., notes Sowers?s DNA was found on the inner seals of five envelopes that contained the absentee ballots, and liberal groups like the NAACP and ACORN have had a history of such shenanigans.
According to Vadum, the NAACP National Voter Fund has done everything from registering a dead man to vote in Ohio in 2004 to filling out fraudulent voter registration cards. In addition, ACORN, the community-organizing group Andrew Breitbart and James O?Keefe exposed aiding actors posing as sex traffickers, has had at least 54 people employed by or directly associated with the group convicted of voter fraud. ACORN has also been banned from Ohio due to its fraudulent activities.
And while Democrats try to frame voter ID laws as racist and partisan, Vadum notes many prominent Democrats, such as Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar, have successfully prosecuted people for voter fraud, which makes it more difficult for Democrats to argue that voter fraud does not exist and voter ID laws are not needed.
Thank you!
This isn't the type of fraud we're talking about- this is a whole new level of absurd shenanigans. The type of fraud that the photo ID requirement is aimed at is (supposedly) people who aren't really registered voters somehow claiming to be someone else and voting in their name, or to prevent registered voters from voting multiple times in the names of other people- thus, a photo ID requirement preventing it so that someone can say, 'hey wait, she doesn't look like Mary Smith...'
Your above situation is completely different (and has nothing to do with identification) because she was registered in two states and voted in her own name twice. Still fraud, but not something that's spurring the GOP attempts at disenfranchising poor voters nationwide...
Registration cards, people! *still bitter towards Ohio...*
No one said it never happens. It just isn't an epidemic like some would like us to believe. There is a negligible percentage of voters who commit fraud. I am not willing to disenfranchise over a tiny fraction of violators.
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/denis-walter-blog/ufo-sighting-over-melbourne/20120917-261pz.html
UFO sighting over Melbourne
It's a bird? It's a plane?...
An eagle-eyed listener to the 3AW Afternoon program believes he may have filmed a UFO in the skies above Melbourne last week.
'Ivan' says his neighbour called out to him early last Tuesday evening telling him to look up at a strange light.
"It was this bright object flying around, quite a pace, doing unusual turns and what have you. I was looking at it for about 10 mins" Ivan told Denis Walter.
"It was behaving like no aircraft that I have seen, as I was recording I dismissing what it could be, what it could not be, it was really intriguing me" he said.
Did you spot the mysterious flying object last Tuesday? Let us know below.
IMAGES: A single frame taken from Ivan's footage
They disproportionately affect the poor. That isn't (necessarily) inherently racist and partisan, unless the voter ID laws are specifically aimed to target a particular demographic that supports the other side.
But again- your example isn't going to be fixed with photo ID, because absentee ballots work wholly differently. We're talking voters who show up at the polls and try to vote in someone else's name.
LOL Don't expect an answer from the OP.
From HuffPo today-
Lord Martin Rees: Aliens Fascinate Everyone, But Only Kooks See UFOs
Can we find a nice analogy here?
Again, requiring ID at the actual polls will make no fuckings difference in the cases like this. Please come up with an appropriate and relevant reference.
/waiting
I stopped reading when the phrase "liberal groups like the NAACP and ACORN have had a history of such shenanigans."
Because only liberals commit voter fraud. Right. Okay then sis.
How in the WORLD do voter ID laws disenfranchise the poor? You cannot get food stamps, medicaid or welfare checks without a valid ID. You cannot apply for social security or disability without a valid ID. By law, your employer must have proof of ID when they hire you. Your bank requires and ID to open an account. You cannot rent a motel/hotel room or rent a car without an ID. You cannot open a water account in my county without an ID. Stores require an ID to cash a check. How can you even OPERATE in this country without some form of id? So all of those organizations are disenfranchising people?
I can't wait to hear about the vast numbers of people who have no source of income or benefits or transactions in the world who are not able to vote. ::smh::
Ignoring the fact that not everyone is on foodstamps and medicaid, I'll make a point from a prior thread- imagine young, poor voters who live with parent/s (thus have no bills in their names), haven't had a job (quite conceivable at 18), and aren't old enough by most standards to rent hotel rooms or cars anyway, so not sure why that's relevant- the voting age isn't 25 as the car rental age is in most states, or 21 as the hotel min age is in most places. Can't afford a car so don't bother getting a license.
It's not a LIKELY scenario, that someone doesn't have any form of identification or official correspondence in their name. But it IS possible. And that does NOT take away those people's right to vote.
Most states won't accept expired ID beyond a certain time. So if never bothered to renew a license or whatever because you no longer drive, under a strict photo ID requirement (as opposed to a photo or document-based requirement as Ohio has), you're out of luck if that was your only officially-issued photo ID. That is why people are so ardently against picture ID requirements.
When I registered to vote in Virginia,I was 19 and at college. I wasn't working in Virginia, had no photo ID with my school address, didn't receive utility bills since I lived on campus and all of that was covered in the initial dorm rent cost. But Virginia issues voter registration cards, so no problem- show up at the polls, flash the card they mail you after you register.
Had the situation been reversed, and I was a VA resident going to school in Ohio, I would not have been able to vote in OH under those circumstances. They do not issue voter registration cards, nor do they consider the piece of mail from the elections board informing you that your registration was approved as valid ID. They do not accept Ohio school IDs as valid forms of photo ID.
Just because you personally do not comprehend that someone might not have a job but might not also be on food stamps and medicaid, might not drive and have not had the time/inclination/money to go get a state-issued ID anyway, does not mean that it does not happen. You know where it happens? Among the very poor. Among the young who have relied on parental/guardian support. Possibly even among the elderly who no longer drive and have not updated expired license's as a result.
Voter registration cards issued by state election boards is where it's at, people.
It may be difficult for you to understand that there is a world outside your bubble, but nearly 10% of people in this country don't have bank accounts. There are people who don't rent hotel rooms or rent cars. There are people who work under the table or who are disabled and don't work.
At any rate, having a bank account, renting a car, and cashing checks are not constitutional rights.
"Facts, exact numbers, reassurance... a Jedi seeks not these things."
... oh wait, wrong forum. Sorry.
I'm more concerned about election fraud of this type:
http://www.freep.com/article/20120919/NEWS15/309190033/Former-McCotter-staffer-pleads-no-contest-in-petition-fraud-scandal
It's a lot easier to falsify a petition than it is to obtain a false ID and successfully use it to vote.
Let's not forget that not just any photo id is acceptable. Only "Republican approved" photo IDs.
In Tennessee, you can vote with your gun permit. You cannot vote with a photo student ID. Pretty random, eh? You can't use a military photo ID because it doesn't have an expiration date.
All the studies that have been done over the last half-a-dozen years or so, including the one conducted in Pennsylvania, shows that between 9 and 15 percent of the population in fact do not have photo ID.
In Pennsylvania, the state has admitted that they don?t have any examples of impersonation voter fraud. In fact, they signed a court-binding agreement in which they admitted that even if the photo ID law is blocked, that will not increase the likelihood of fraud at the polls on Election Day. So why do it, when they know (and admit) that the law will disenfranchise people, but that it won't stop voter fraud. The also admit that the state does not have the capacity to issue IDs to everyone who doesn't currently have one before the election.
And it's simply not as easy as you think to get a photo ID. If you're older or poor, you may not have a birth certificate because you weren't born in a hospital. In Pennsylvania, there are 10 counties where there is not a single licensing center. There?s another 13 counties where they have one office, but it?s only open one day a week. Some of these could be miles from a bus route - remember we are likely talking about people without drivers licenses!
So, you tell me, honestly, why they are so all-fired up to implement a law . they admit they don't need and can't possibly comply with before the election, hmmmm? Interesting that PA admits this new law could disenfranchise 750,000 people (many other people say it's more than that) and Obama won by 600,000 last time. How convenient.
The example Sisugal gave of the woman voting in two states wouldn't have been prevented by Voter ID. It's worth noting that she, and the other man she cited, were both found guilty of voter fraud so evidently we do manage to catch voter fraud under the existing laws! Probably the most common type of election fraud is candidates who run in districts they don't really live in (like Romney), or people who move but vote in their old district because they haven't changed their drivers license yet. These laws wouldn't correct any of that.
You have a right to an education here too but you cannot register for school without some form of ID even as a minor. I don't see how the process of getting an ID is any more arduous than the process you need to go through to register to vote. By 18 males are required to register for selective service and should there be a draft they will be required to present ID when they show up for their military service regardless of their financial situation. The marines really don't care about the cushy ride you have going at mom and pop's house and it's not voluntary.
Voter fraud is hard to prove because you have nothing to check it against. Say I have a neighbor who says she registered to vote because she felt pressured to do so by the DMV lady but that she doesn't vote because politics are crap. So I grab a friend of mine and tell her to go vote and say she's mary sue smith my neighbor. She votes as my neighbor. How in the world would anyone EVER know that happened or catch that? Just because you don't catch it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-look-voter-fraud-little-172327169--election.html
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