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California Mass Exodus

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/22/new-tax-increase-in-california-stirs-debate-about-adding-to-exodus/

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"However, high unemployment and government debt have already sent residents fleeing in large numbers ? an estimated 225,000 annually for the past 10 years."

My thought: long-term population shifts could impact electoral college numbers as they have done in Ohio (was at 26 (in 1968, its peak), then went to 21 (2000), is now at 18 thru 2020).

States getting many CA transplants are NV, TX, and AZ.

Re: California Mass Exodus

  • for sure it would.  I don't even know how people can afford to live there anyways. CO is also getting people from california.  
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  • The other side of the coin though is the "blue-ing" of traditionally red states for the same reason. NV, NC and CO are three examples of states with a high number of northeast and West Coast transplants that are now swing states. 

     That said, I find it hard to believe CA will lose electoral college votes in the same way as Ohio. Part of Ohio's exodus can be attributed to the collapse of our manufacturing industry -- but CA remains one of the states with one of the largest economies in the country.  In fact, it would be one of the top 10 economies in the world if it were a standalone nation. As the economy rebounds, so will California.  

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  • This would be so awesome. I would love for Texas to go blue. It is getting closer!  This is why other historically red states are going blue (think NC in 2008). 
  • Yeah, I'm curious about how this will affect the Texas political demographics, with speculation this year about the state being purple in the next 2-3 election cycles. While the right has to love the idea of CA losing at least a few votes, it might not do them much good in the long run if those votes go to places like TX and AZ.
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  • There is an exodus from NJ, also.

    High taxes and unaffordable for a great many.
  • imageTarponMonoxide:
    There is an exodus from NJ, also.

    High taxes and unaffordable for a great many.

     

    my BFF lives there with her boyfriend.  He lost his job last summer so she came back for about 6 months.  There was a chance he would have stayed in Omaha where he got his next job but she kept telling me she really hoped he would get a new job back in NY.  even though she had to purchase essentials on a credit card a few times because everything is so darn expensive, she just loved living there.  I don't get it.  I would rather not have credit card debt, but that' just me 

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  • imagevlagrl29:

    imageTarponMonoxide:
    There is an exodus from NJ, also.

    High taxes and unaffordable for a great many.

     

    my BFF lives there with her boyfriend.  He lost his job last summer so she came back for about 6 months.  There was a chance he would have stayed in Omaha where he got his next job but she kept telling me she really hoped he would get a new job back in NY.  even though she had to purchase essentials on a credit card a few times because everything is so darn expensive, she just loved living there.  I don't get it.  I would rather not have credit card debt, but that' just me 

    I live in CT and my husband's family lives down South. We could get a LOT more for our money down there but I just feel like home is here. I fit in here in my 4 distinct seasons, liberal blue state as opposed to the Confederate flag-waving, still smoking in public places red state where they live. ;)  I'm sure if we lived down there we'd own our own home, pay less in taxes, etc, but I just don't think I'd be happy. 

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  • imageMrsGoodkat:
    imagevlagrl29:

    imageTarponMonoxide:
    There is an exodus from NJ, also.

    High taxes and unaffordable for a great many.

     

    my BFF lives there with her boyfriend.  He lost his job last summer so she came back for about 6 months.  There was a chance he would have stayed in Omaha where he got his next job but she kept telling me she really hoped he would get a new job back in NY.  even though she had to purchase essentials on a credit card a few times because everything is so darn expensive, she just loved living there.  I don't get it.  I would rather not have credit card debt, but that' just me 

    I live in CT and my husband's family lives down South. We could get a LOT more for our money down there but I just feel like home is here. I fit in here in my 4 distinct seasons, liberal blue state as opposed to the Confederate flag-waving, still smoking in public places red state where they live. ;)  I'm sure if we lived down there we'd own our own home, pay less in taxes, etc, but I just don't think I'd be happy. 

     

    I understand that and I'm sure she feels the same way.  luckily there is no smoking in public places here. That was nice when it was banned.  But I even got a text from her tonight saying she was worried about money.  I don't think I could ever feel comfortable anywhere when I was always worried about money. 

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  • imageNechie122:

    The other side of the coin though is the "blue-ing" of traditionally red states for the same reason. NV, NC and CO are three examples of states with a high number of northeast and West Coast transplants that are now swing states. 

     That said, I find it hard to believe CA will lose electoral college votes in the same way as Ohio. Part of Ohio's exodus can be attributed to the collapse of our manufacturing industry -- but CA remains one of the states with one of the largest economies in the country.  In fact, it would be one of the top 10 economies in the world if it were a standalone nation. As the economy rebounds, so will California.  

    This, exactly. The purplefication of Texas also is driven both by a growing Latino population and transplants from blue states swinging traditional Texas politics.

    California still has some of the best, highest paying jobs in the country. Those of us with educations can afford to stay. In fact, I couldn't do my job anywhere else except Boston, which has the same high pay, high cost of living situation. Poor people meanwhile just move 60-90 miles away from the coast, where cost of living plummets.

    -My son was born in April 2012. He pretty much rules. -This might be the one place on the internet where it's feasible someone would pretend to be an Adult Man.
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