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Clicky Assault Weapon Presentation
http://www.assaultweapon.info/
Someone made this short presentation (you have to click through it) about assault weapons and their definitions/features. I got it from a friend's FaceBook, I do not know its origin.
I found it helpful terminology-wise and learned more about this national discussion.
It gives history on previous gun bans too and describes the weapons/magazinces used in previous shootings in our nation.
Whether you are for or against gun bans, this is a helpful bit of fact.
Re: Clicky Assault Weapon Presentation
That's fine. But you do care about the propagation of misinformation by our media and government, right?
I do agree with you, ban or no ban, the killings are going to continue. Assault rifles are in the forefront now...it never hurts to learn more about them and their history. JMHO.
oh I know our media and government are full of propaganda, its a joke. Your link did help me learn more about the so called assault weapons.
BTW, sorry to hear about your car insurance fiasco. What a bummer!!! Ugh. Not fun.
its starting to feel like the story of my life. car bill after car bill. my car is 9 years old and had to have a few repairs this last year just for maintenance. probably around $1,500 and this is just another $500. some days i wonder if we will ever get beyond living paycheck to paycheck. stupid b!tch never called me back.
i refuse to put more stuff on a credit card. so hopefully we can save $500 to get it repaired.
So I want to amend part of this presentation for you after I showed it to another freind on another forum I visit...
I can't change it, since it's not mine to change, but my friend said:
1. Full automatics (machine guns) have been restricted since 1934. And they closed the registry of them in 1984 so no new ones could be added.
2. Stats on murders with assault weapons should be "deaths" and include police shootings.
He also noted that the one thing that all the mass shootings have in common is not the weapons or ammo used, but that they were committed in "Gun Free Zones."
How do you know that? That is an honest question. Do you actually know that better gun control is not going to cut down on deaths by guns? I think you are wrong. I would love to know where you are getting your info.
What do you guys think about the "war on terror"? Trying to wipe out terrorists is never going to stop other terrorists from targeting our nation. It's a never ending cycle. Why even bother?
Also, why is murder even illegal? People are still going to kill other folks. What is the point of a "ban"? I just don't get it.
Honestly, why is anything illegal? Why have any laws against rape? People still gonna rape. Why have any laws against stealing? People still gonna steal.
I hope we go back to the days of the Wild Wild West. When everyone had a gun on their hip and a chip on their shoulder! Ahhh...the good old days!
What percentage of enclosed spaces (I think I can make the assumption that the majority of mass killings in this country took place in an enclosed space, not an open field) in this country are gun free zones vs. non-gun free zones. I think that info would really shed some light on your last point. Anyone have that info?
Interesting. So, why all the discussion in the news and amongst legislators and Obama, about AR-15s and other modern hunting rifles needing control if the weapons of choice for mass shooters are semiautomatic handguns?
And my stupid graph deleted when I edited with another question! Grrrr....that annoys me. Let me try again.
ETA: Why can I not post a picture? So annoying.
Did you notice the second highest number was assault weapons? I don't know all that much about guns, but I have been told that the majority of personal firearms these days are semi-automatic. Could it be that the government doesn't actually want to strip people of their Second Amendment rights and faced with the knowledge that most of the personal guns are semi-automatic, decided to focus on getting assault weapons off the streets again? ::gasp!::
I just don't understand why you want to sit back and do NOTHING, when gun violence is rampant in this country. Obviously, as you pointed out,Obama isn't just being reactionary. Not trying to go in people's closets and haul out all their guns.
The data from the Deptartment of Justice in this PowerPoint I have in my OP is probably where she got her information.
In September of 1994, the first Federal Assault Weapons ban went into effect. For 10 years. It expired in 2004. At that time a Deprtment of Justice study wrote that, " Should it be renewed, the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. [Assault weapons] were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban."
In addition the study concluded that, "large capacity magazines, the study said: It is not clear how often the outcomes of gun attacks depend on the ability of offenders to fire more than ten shots (the current magazine capacity limit) without reloading."
It's of note that the 1999 Columbine shooting occurred with weapons NOT under ban and also the shooters simply carried MORE magazines each holding fewer rounds. Same with VA Tech.
So, the proof is there that bans on certain weapons and large capacity magazines don't work...shooters wanting to kill will simply use OTHER weapon choices or they will carry more smaller capacity magazines. The bans litterally hurt the honest, good citizens who want to hunt, target shoot or retain guns for home defense.
I hate that it's this way. Please consider taking a peak at the link in the OP if you haven't already.
If you think I want to do nothing...you are mistaken.
I'm fine with better background checks. And, I think that if someone in your household (living at your physical residence) has a mental disorder than YOU should not be permitted to buy any more guns.
I am not okay with banning AR-15s or larger magazines since they are legitmately hunting rifles and used in competitions. Recent shootings show us limiting larger capacity mags aren't the answer either since shooters will simply carry more magazines to make up for the smaller capacities.
I'm not okay with banning some weapons just because they have some of the same ergonomic (telescopic stocks, pistol grips, etc.) and physical characteristics as machine guns do but are not automatic.
Again, if you haven't yet, you can see that presentation it gives some detail about the similarities and diffrences of automatic and semiautomatic weapons.
This isn't directed at you ML, just a general observation from FB and stuff, but it amazes me the amount that conservative Christians have been defending guns. Thou shall not kill and they're going to extreme lengths to defend these things that are designed primarily for killing.
I mean, obviously I know most people use them for hunting, sport, and protection and not murder but it seems so weird to me just how outraged these supposed Christians are. Not at all peaceful about it. It's things like this that made me start questioning the faith I grew up in. It's so conflicting with WJWD.
I don't think this is the hypocrisy that you might think that it is. The 10 commandments which that comes from first of all comes from a time when man was commanded to live by the law. They come about in the book of Exodus. However, several times after that God, through his prophets or other messengers tells people to go a fight a certain war or otherwise defend themselves. In Joshua he made the sun stand still for 24 hours so that Joshua could continue his battle to save the nation of Israel. It's unfair to pull something like this one line out and use it without context in the same way it's unfair to pull something out of Leviticus and use it out of context.
Mrs.G: No offense taken at all. I think I have two points, which may shed some light on this.
1. While many people don't see it, either because they aren't familiar or just don't care, there is a feeling of being pressured and squashed if you're an adherant to the conservative Christ following faith. Again, not everyone has this perspective, but many, many believers do. And, while maybe they aren't necessarily ardent gun proponents, they are "rallying" against the front that makes the snide comments about "clinging to guns and religion." It's there. It's happening. It's real.
The fact is, things like the ACA (good in many ways) are creating problems for people of faith regarding birth control (see the Hobby Lobby scenario in which they face $1.3M in fines DAILY for not complying) and other procedures that go against certain faith followers' religions. Hobby Lobby is a privately owned company, not publically traded on any exchange, and it's a family run business that is outwardly Christian (their website even says so, they support mission work globally, and they are closed on Sundays). Whether you like HL or not, the truth is, they are seeking the religious freedom our Constitution lays forth for all people. Their religion is is conflict with ACA. Are they supposed to roll over and give up? Other companies, schools, hospitals and organizations are facing the same problems and there is a rally amongst Christ followers nationwide to support these groups.
It's possible the gun lobby has attracted these believers because they see it as another assault on "rights" of Americans. Again, these are my own assumptions...but this is how I think it's playing out.
2. The Old Testament scriptures say in the Ten Commandments, "Thou shall not kill." So, yes you are correct. And, the Old Testament, in the Book of Ecclesiastes, Chapter 3 states, "There is a season for everything...a time to kill."
So, which is it? Contradictory, no?
In our English language there are several words to describe most things. For example, Crying = Weeping = Sobbing. They describe the same action but different variations or levels of that action. The same applies in other languages, including the Hebrew language.
In the Ten Commandments, the word "kill" means "murder" (ratsach). In Ecclesiastes the word is "harag," which means to "slay."
The scriptures stipulate a difference between homicidal murder in which rage or hatred blaze over and cause a person to kill and killing to eradicate something like a danger "slay" like you'd slay a dragon, or a source or force of evil, like you'd "slay" an intruder who was trying to rape your wife, take your cow, kill your baby boy.
This isn't a contradiction. It's just denoting the differences between types of killing and which ones are acceptable at certain times. It's what prevents murder, but allows a soldier to kill an enemy with a "clean conscience" if that enemy's leader is a ruthless dictator commiting genocide of an entire people (a common ancient occurance).
I hope this answers your question. I once faced this very question myself.
What sort of mental disorder? Schizophrenia? Sociopathy? Depression? Post-partum depression? Someone who suffered from depression ten years ago? Three years ago? Someone with autism? Someone with anger management issues? Someone who's "just not right"?
Would it require an official diagnosis? What if that person refused to go to a psych to be diagnosed?
And you can't buy any more guns, but can you keep the guns you already have?
Wouldn't this discourage, say, a spouse with mental illness from seeking treatment for fear the their spouse will be punished for it? So now you have an untreated mental illness AND guns.