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Re: Other arguments I do not understand
I'm really glad you asked this, but I'll answer the second part first
) Remember the chart that was posted at the beginning of this topic? It showed that once birth control became legal the number of abortions went way up and topped off and has stayed pretty level. This shows that in theory what you said should have worked, but it didn't.
Okay next part. You're right, I don't like either, but I'm really only "loud" about one of them because well you know why. Although I don't agree with birth control and I think it's sad that so many women ingest this type 1 carcinogen I'm not going to judge them for it and I definitely don't think there should be laws against it. But there is an alternative and that's what my husband and I do, we use natural family planning (not the rhythym method ick!) It's actually very scientific and just as effective if not more so than ABC (artificial birth control), plus I'm not poisoning my body. I just wish more women knew about it and there was more education on it. The only "good" thing the pill does is prevent pregnancies (which it fails at that a lot), but it increases your risk for cancer esp. breast cancer. Some will argue that it treats PCOS, endometriosis, etc. this is false, it covers up symptoms. I know I have PCOS and being on the pill for 2 years actually was worse for my body. Also, (and this could get really catholic on you sorry, which is why I don't think it should be law because not everyone is catholic) I don't believe sex is just for procreation. I believe that sex was created to be both unitive and procreative and therefore only used inside a marriage. Sorry if that didn't make sense, I can try to explain it a different way too. However, these are just my beliefs on ABC and since I know everyone isn't catholic I don't think it should be made law. The only reason I care so much about abortion is because its murder. Sorry that was so long!
a chemical pregnancy is a miscarriage and yes if I had a miscarriage I would do a memorial service. And I do believe them to be equal, both had a soul and every woman I've known who had a miscarriage mourned the loss of her child.
ha ha tricky second question, esp. for me since I don't agree with IVF (and your example does a good job at explaining why). I don't know, most likely the 1 year old because there would probably be a large amount of frozen embryos and not to mention I wouldn't know where to find them and they could be on lock down, and because I would NEVER be in an IVF clinic. However, I do believe that every soul that was lost in the fire would be saved.
I'm sorry, have I struck a nerve? I don't remember saying anything rude to you. But I guess if we don't have a valid reason to bring up we just resort to belittling.
totally! It's strange how the people that proclaim themselves to be extremely religious always seem to display the fewest "Christ like" qualities. They tend to be the least tolerant, least compassionate, and the first to throw stones.
Yeah...but going to Church and saying you are a Christian does not make you Christian. That is half the problem...
I've had a miscarriage and I also have living children. Losing a pregnancy at 6 weeks is in absolutely no way comparable to losing a child. None.
I'm sorry, I don't remember saying if you do IVF you're going to hell. Did I ever say that? No I said I believe IVF is wrong for me. I already warned you guys I was catholic. And you're whole little remark about "just because you go to church doesn't make you Christian." I didn't say that was what made me Christian thank you very much, you want to know how my church feels about IVF, read the catechism, I am very much in line with my churches teachings thank you. Whose being rude and offensive? I never once said I condemed others for IVF! You asked me what MY beliefs were and I told you. sheesh!
You guys are totally hearing what you want to hear, and unless you want to stop putting words in my mouth I'm done. This is absurd!
I will defend you until kingdom come for your right to espouse your Catholic beliefs and to explain them to others (which I think you did well when describing the church's view on birth control). But you should consider how offensive some of your other posts/statements can be to others, especially to those that do not have your same views. For example, regarding IVF, instead of saying "I don't agree with IVF" maybe say "IVF is against my religion." Or "I personally don't believe in IVF because it goes against my religious beliefs." Otherwise, you do risk offending others. That is just one example but in general I think (even if you didn't intend to) your statements come across as if you think you are some sort of moral authority.
I just read through the entire three pages of discussion.
Honestly, I cannot see where Shawna has said anything, other than her own opinions and beliefs, in response to statements or questions made by other posters, that could be construded as offensive.
She's given her point of view (in response to several of PPs questions and comments) and has done so in a polite, matter of fact way without any mud slinging or name calling.
I'm not sure where the accusations of her having a moral authority tone have any grounding since she hasn't insulted anybody here, but merely has stated her viewpoints, which is what we do on these threads anyway...
Don't bully her around just because you disagree or dislike her perspective. It would be pretty dead/boring around here if there were only one viewpoint being shared.
Not ignorantly actually, remember I said I have PCOS. And it wasn't until I came off of ABC and fixed my diet that I had any relief. I never said "how dare anyone" I said I don't understand why. I don't know why you're so offended, did I come out an say so and so you're a POS because you do or don't do this? no I didn't. And thank you for calling me ignorant, I've actually looked into a lot. It works for me, so it doesn't work for you that's fine. I never said you were a bad person because you did this. You are taking "MY" beliefs too seriously, I don't think less of you because you don't share my beliefs. I'm upset because you are saying I blatantly sounded like an arrogant asshat. Also, I never said "I wouldn't be caught dead" I said I wouldn't be in there, stop embellishing! Again, I'm sorry you took "MY" beliefs so personal and as an attack on you. I wasn't being mean to you, I don't know why you had to be mean to me...
You're right I could have worded it better, I was worked up because I knew that the post I replied to was written to get a rise out of me and make me the bad guy anyway.
Also, it should help that after the discussion on this thread ends I won't post on these boards anymore. There's no point, no one will change anyones mind and I just get too stressed, and I tend to take things really personally (even when they're said on the internet by people I've never met), and since people tend to get pretty nasty on these boards I think this is a good decision for me.
To everyone: I'm truly sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent.
Thank you ML, I truly apprecite this
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I've learned a lot from just reading the last page of this post. I'm not catholic, but I understand that most catholics don't use bc pills. I'm not offended by anything she said either and I'm on BCP. I don't take the poison comments offensively, its her own belief. Honestly I don't like being on it, but I really don't want another kid right now because I don't like being pregnant and we can't afford another one right now. Once baby #2 is out, DH is getting snipped. I try and keep an open mind with everyone on here even if they don't believe the way i do
And that is an example of twisting statistics.
You didn't account for the population change over that time period. The fact that the number of abortions stayed the roughly the same while the population shot up means that the abortion rate decreased. The overall number went up, but the percentage of pregnancies ending in abortion went down.