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Re: IRS official apologizes for targeting conservative groups
Well my concern is genuine. All American lives are important.
My point is...do you feel your government purposefully misled you about Weapons of Mass Destruction back in 2002/2003? I feel that they did and I don't like it. Why should I feel any different now that I feel my government is purposefully misleading me about what happened in Benghazi?
He told investigators THAT HE WAS TOLD they were prepared and then forbidden. He had no direct knowledge of what happened, who ordered them not to fly to Benghazi, or anything else. If this were a trial, his testimony would be completely inadmissible as hearsay.
Where is the person who supposedly issued this order to stand down, and what is his justification for doing so? THAT is what I want to know.
This is exactly how I feel about Iraq. And yet, nobody in any sort of position of power, whether that's Congress or the media, seems to share my feeling. Probably because there's nobody to score political points against by doing so. It can't be used to bring Obama down, so who cares?
All of this, exactly, thank you.
Here is the big difference: the government's lies regarding WMDs directly led to the deaths of thousands of Americans (and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis) as well as trillions of taxpayer dollars spent.
What did the government's lies in Benghazi lead to? Did someone lose their life because we were told it was a video that spurred protests instead of terrorism?
It was not right to cover up what happened (assuming that they did). But lying to make yourself look better, while wrong, is nowhere near the same level of wrong as lying to get people to agree to sacrifice thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.
But ok, let's say they're the same. Then yes, you should feel the same way about both. Yet you don't seem to be demanding answers on Iraq the way you are demanding answers on Benghazi. Why is that?
Perhaps because we are on the subject of Benghazi. You don't know what I do or what elected officials I correspond with IRL.
Loss of life is loss of life...period. I don't care whether you have 4 dead Americans or thousands of dead Americans. I would have no problem supporting an inquiry into the Iraq War. Just like I don't think the IRS should target ANY group whether it be the NAACP (and the IRS has been known to target the NAACP) or the Tea Party.
But the issue at hand is Benghazi and I would like answers to the questions I posed earlier. I can't imagine the anguish of those 4 men during the attack (similarly I can't imagine the anguish of any man, woman or child who lost their life in Iraq). If the WH or State Department or Kermit the Frog could have helped these men and chose not too...I would like to know.
You're right - I don't know what you do IRL, so that is a fair point. Maybe you feel equally about this and Iraq. I should have directed my frustration more towards the Fox News and the Darrell Issas out there who are, IMO, being incredibly hypocritical about this.
As for Benghazi, I care a lot less about the coverup than I do about what it is they were supposedly covering up. If it is true that there was a rescue team waiting and ready to help thwart the attack and they were told not to, then I want to know who made that call and why.
I wholeheartedly believe your concern is genuine, Cincy. As is mine.
I was saying the politicians who are so focused on Benghazi seem disingenuous due to their lack of concern about other, even more loss of life scandals. That's why it seems like they only care about scoring political points.
They look hypocritical and it makes it hard to believe it is an unbiased inquiry. I truly believe if information came out that exonerated any of their political targets, it would not see the light. It's all about politics, not ACTUAL TRUTH. I guess I'm cynical.
I can tell you this, it only takes 4 hours to get an aircraft (the similar aircraft deployed by Obama during the Lybia. "crisis" (yep bug air quotes) from Italy to Bengazi.
The point of the USAF stationed overseas is to be able to strike within hours. I know this becuase I was there in Germany, at the airbase the aircraft sent to Lybia were flown from.
We have special forces stationed all over the world, in the ready just for situations like this.
And even IF there wasn't a specific command to stand down, that our Commandos or Fighters were just not sent out to do the jobs that they spend thousands of hours and *** billions of dollars on, then someone's head should roll for that NEGLIGENCE.
Look, I am the first to say that I have never agreed with invading Iraq (oh, I beleive there were WMD - where do you think Syria got all of their weapons from - but I'm a pragmatist that recognized early on that that nut job kept the reagion stable and the needs of the many outweigh the deaths of his few).
I am happy to say that I have literally only voted a party politician twice in my 24 years of voter eligibility, and neither was a Bush.
But this need to gloss over Benghazi becuase what Bush did, means that we have not actually LEARNED from our mistake with Bush int he first place. But then again, it's not unusual. Right now, in our highschools we gloss over injustices like the Japanese Internment Camps approved by FDR or Joe Mccarthy's unfettered attacks on Comminism.
I would think that if one was SO OUTRAGED by the government's coverup of Iraq, that they would be equally outraged by another government coverup...not excuse it becuase it's not as bad...or not as many people died or whatever reasoning you use.
BE MAD at all of them, left or right, democrat or republican whenever there is a wrng. Becuase really, until there is unbiased accountability, neither of your parties are going to come clean.
And people wonder why I'm an independent.
That is exactly what I want to know.
I cannot take the prior poster seriously after saying that conservatives don't give a sh-it about their fellow Americans. You evil little troll, how dare you. And f the follow up poster with the "deliberately obtuse." I know it's a newsflash, but conservatives aren't automatically stupid, and Democrats aren't automatically enlightened.
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El oh El, Kelly! Thank you for bringing laughter to my life. Calling someone a troll who disagrees with you...too funny.
As for the deliberately obtuse comment, I was just shouting what everyone was thinking. The same point was raised and restated over and over again by several posters with no apparent comprehension of meaning. Peeps were either being deliberately obtuse or have issues with reading comprehension. I believe the former to be true. We have lots of smart people contribute on this board.
Please show me where I said Democrats are enlightened and Republicans are stupid? Yeah, never said that. I think maybe you are twisting things and projecting?
I may vote Democrat, but there are innumerable numbers of them who are crooked and unlikable. I just recently said John Edwards was the slimiest of the slimy while you continue to support sleazeball Mark Sanford. At home, I also detest a lot of Detroit politicians who are so crooked they couldn't walk straight if they tried.
Now that you have made me consider it, the problem I see is you being unwilling to ever take any conservative to task. Hmmm...thanks for making that clearer to me.
Reading is fundamental. I never said that "all conservatives don't care".
But I'm quite sure that you personally were out there demanding answers about Iraq, making sure that the thousands of Americans who died there died there for a very good reason. I'm sure that you were as furious about the Iraq war and the false pretenses as you are about Benghazi. I remember you posting constantly about it! Because you care about American soldiers that much.
And I know that you are writing your representatives every day demanding that embassy security be increased so that another Benghazi doesn't happen. That's how much you care about the lives and safety of diplomats overseas. I'm sure that you've put just as much effort into this as you have to expressing your outrage on here.
Exactly this!
**6.30.12** I have found the one whom my soul loves.
I also got that vibe. Basically, what I got out of their posts was "Let's talk about the Iraq war because it happened during the presidency of a Republican, but let's not focus on the controversies happening right now under Obama." You should hold them all equally responsible, regardless of what their political affiliation is.
**6.30.12** I have found the one whom my soul loves.
exactly!
That was my point exactly. Which is precisely what conservatives are NOT doing. They care deeply about the four lives lost in Benghazi and DEMAND answers as to what the government could have done to prevent them, but about the thousands of people killed in Iraq and what the government could have done to prevent their deaths, eh....whatever.