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I have problems, I can't get over my husbands ex

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Re: I have problems, I can't get over my husbands ex

  • imageReturnOfKuus:
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    imageReturnOfKuus:
    You know, no one held a gun to your head and forced you to move into a house he shared with her.  For that matter, no one forced you to date and then marry a guy who still saw his ex every day at work, either.  Why did you do this to yourself?  Be honest: does jealousy kind of give you a weird, perverse rush?

    Could you be anymore crude or cruel!? So she made a descion she is now regretting can you say that you have never done that? I think not.

    I happen to believe that her H is being somewhat unreasonable and a jerk not even considering doing anything else. I don't think its abnormal for her to want something they can call their's. And for him to push it off like its not a big deal is selfish

     

    She didn't make A decision - she made a whole series of decisions that resulted in her existing in a jealous froth.  She decided to keep dating the guy when she found out that he worked with the ex, to keep dating the guy when she found out that they'd lived together in the house he has now, to say yes to marrying him under the existing conditions, to move into that house... it's not one decision that you might regret later.  It's a whole series of decisions over time where the jealousy MUST have shown up at some point before today, and still decisions to keep it up kept being made.

     

    ---- My stepmother said to me once "You can't help who you fall in love with." Original Poster, I completely understand your feelings. It made financial sense for you to move in with your H and I'm sure you didn't anticipate these feelings. The feelings may stay until you get your own place together. It's pretty normal. It's good that they don't haunt you and for time periods you can go without thinking about them. Good luck!  

  • Oh please, you can absolutely help who you fall in love with.  There's always a choice on whether or not to continue investing time and energy and emotion in someone.
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  • If it's really driving you crazy, there's no shame in breaking it off. It's sad, but better to break up with him now than live forever going nuts because you can't get over his ex.

    I don't think there's anything he can do here. If he were to quit his job or sell his house over this then I'd be questioning his mental health and calling your relationship dysfunctional. He's done everything a rational person could do to make this situation better. Have you?

    We aren't at the mercy of our feelings. I get that the jealous thoughts might pop up. But you choose whether to a) rationally talk yourself out of them or b) spin them into a neurotic froth and take a trip in crazyland. If you really feel like you have no control over that, try therapy. You can learn that self control.

  • Would he even get back together with her if they were both single?
  • He lied to me about her once, nothing big, but he bought some stuff from her kid and lied to me about it.  He made up a story about purchasing stuff from some other girl's kid.  This is why I find it hard to  believe.  It sucks, I don't think he would ever get back with her, at all.  I am not worried about him cheating on me.  What I do get upset about is if he is being dis honest with me about his life at work.  I know its not fair for me to keep this which happened a long time ago but I t still is in my head.  I still remember him lying to me about her.  Yes its nothing big but a lie is a lie.  I married him afterward yes.  I just still remember him telling me that he has no relationship with this woman then find out he couldn't tell her no about buying something or at least be honest with me. It happened in the very beginning of our relationship so I let it go.  But the memory of it hasn't gone away. Yes I am alittle obsessive and cant shake these things. I don't do well getting lied to and sadly I don't forget.... :(

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  • Well, it sounds like your gut is trying to protect you. 

    Is it right, or is it being obsessive? Because I find that when I can't let things go it's because a part of me, rational me, has a problem with them.

    I would suggest therapy, if you can afford it. I can't remember if you commented on this earlier in the thread.  

  • Yes perhaps...  I did think about therapy, I did. After talking with my H we decided not to.  Its just a group of small things that get to me and I cant shake.  It all seems to stem from work.  There is this other girl, his exs friend too that works with him.  Her as well he lied about having a relationship.  I have never told him that he cant be friends with anyone.  But this one girl, in the beginning as well I feel that she was trying to make me look bad.  Over time he told me this girl doesn't matter either and that he didn't talk with her,  This was all before we got engaged.  I believed him, yet he would still get texts ffrom her, wondering where he was, how his weekend went and such.  I just happened to be there to see the texts, again not a big deal.  Nothing wrong said, but just the fact that he said he didn't talk with the girl, yet she was wondering how his weekend was.  Little things like this is why I cannot get over the work ex and all that . 

    All he says is has anything happened since we have been engaged/married.  I say no, but still... I just hope I guess that he is not lying to me.  I don't get why but being lied to kills me and makes me look horribly at a person.  I don't know.  I guess im just a little crazy when it comes to this....

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  • Honestly, I don't think you're crazy. You have mistrust for your H because he lies to you. How can you trust someone who lies to you? That's not a problem with you, that's common sense. Even if they are small lies, I would not trust someone who kept lying to me either. What if he just got better at hiding it?

    I would have a serious conversation with your H about small lies and how serious they are. Because people tend to hide the big lies better than the small lies-and if you know that he is fine lying to you, how can you trust him?

    If he tends to hide things because you blow up, that is a serious issue you need to deal with.

    But it's not cool that he lies to you. That is a problem with him. Not with you. 

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    Honestly, I don't think you're crazy. You have mistrust for your H because he lies to you. How can you trust someone who lies to you? That's not a problem with you, that's common sense. Even if they are small lies, I would not trust someone who kept lying to me either. What if he just got better at hiding it?

    I would have a serious conversation with your H about small lies and how serious they are. Because people tend to hide the big lies better than the small lies-and if you know that he is fine lying to you, how can you trust him?

    If he tends to hide things because you blow up, that is a serious issue you need to deal with.

    But it's not cool that he lies to you. That is a problem with him. Not with you. 

     

    Okay, and that is exactly what I fear I guess... I do wonder if he is still doing whatever and I just am clueless. I can't change or know what he is doing at work, I have to just trust him. It hurts me that I can't trust him when it comes to this.   The thing that sucks is I found out by snooping.  I should not have, but I had a feeling and sadly it was right.   He doesn't get the fact that I tell him that, that he lied over the same person more than once.  And just that gets me too.  We have talked about it, and all he can say is he has done nothing wrong since we have been engaged.  True, or is it that I haven't "found out" anything?  It is hard for me to trust people and he knew that already.  I have always said if he's lying about this then what else is he hiding?  I really could care less WHO he talks to as long as he isn't hiding it from me.  I feel like this work stuff is the part of him I do not know and I think it kind of worries me. 

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  • I even told him that if he's friends with his ex then fine.  I get it that some people are just better off as friends, I have a few of those.  Guys I dated that we both are cool with being friends and are happy with eachothers happiness.  I was totally fine with all of his relationships until they turned into things that seemed like he didn't want me knowing.  WHo knows.  I have talked with him about it and it upsets him, which I can get, it gets annoying fighting over the same stuff but its like I haven't gotten the right answer or something.  Its like he isnt' telling me everything or something.  I do have a pretty strong intuition I think and when I am having a weird feeling or something it is usually from something.  Just I truly hope there is never anything I really do need to worry about

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  • Little lies are typically a symptom of a much bigger problem.  If he feels the need to lie about buying Girl Scout cookies or whatever, then there are some things seriously wrong with your relationship.

    The first two things that come to mind are:

    1. He's cheating at least a little.  Even if he's just flirting with the girls at work, if he feels the need to lie about it, then he knows he's over the line and doing something wrong.

    2. He's afraid you're going to go ape sh?t over him even talking to her and wants to avoid the confrontation.

    I'm not saying either of those are the case, but both of them were indicative of some major problems.  Cheating is obviously bad.  But hiding the truth just to avoid a fight means that your communication channels and trust are destroyed. 

     

    And what's all this about not going to therapy because you guys talked it over?  You're having serious issues with sharing his life with the ghost of his ex.  I do think that counseling for both of you is definitely called for because the new information points to extreme communication breakdowns.  However, there's nothing stopping you from going to therapy alone.  If the XW's house and stuff thing is really such a crazy big deal to you, I don't see why you (and he) wouldn't want you to go talk to someone and get over it.  Unless it's a financial concern, which I can understand, but I'd still see if your insurance covers it or if you could find an inexpensive option just to talk out some of the issues.

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  • GilliC said:
    Little lies are typically a symptom of a much bigger problem.  If he feels the need to lie about buying Girl Scout cookies or whatever, then there are some things seriously wrong with your relationship.

    The first two things that come to mind are:

    1. He's cheating at least a little.  Even if he's just flirting with the girls at work, if he feels the need to lie about it, then he knows he's over the line and doing something wrong.

    2. He's afraid you're going to go ape sh?t over him even talking to her and wants to avoid the confrontation.

    I'm not saying either of those are the case, but both of them were indicative of some major problems.  Cheating is obviously bad.  But hiding the truth just to avoid a fight means that your communication channels and trust are destroyed. 

     

    And what's all this about not going to therapy because you guys talked it over?  You're having serious issues with sharing his life with the ghost of his ex.  I do think that counseling for both of you is definitely called for because the new information points to extreme communication breakdowns.  However, there's nothing stopping you from going to therapy alone.  If the XW's house and stuff thing is really such a crazy big deal to you, I don't see why you (and he) wouldn't want you to go talk to someone and get over it.  Unless it's a financial concern, which I can understand, but I'd still see if your insurance covers it or if you could find an inexpensive option just to talk out some of the issues.


    Okay, I agree.  I didn't understand why he lied.  I was very open and I actually didn't really care at the time what was going on.  I just always wanted him to be honest with me.  I remember telling him that.  He lied, it was before we got engaged.  I know he could be still having these relations, but could it just be my feeling driving me crazy?  He hasn't done anything wrong since then, but the feelings don't always go away.  I want to know, should I just get over them and hope for the best instead of seeming like I am just trying to break us? Technically he has done no wrong since then.  I mean, could he be being honest with me about it now, since we are forever?  I want to believe him, I really do. But I feel that I did before and he stepped on my trust.  over and over, it may not have been a big deal to him but it is to me. 

    I want to know, should I try to see the light of all of this and just try to be a good supportive wife?  Should I try to trust him again?  Should I try to just forget about what happened and try to look forward to what is happening now and what will happen???

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  • Okay, I agree.  I didn't understand why he lied.  I was very open and I actually didn't really care at the time what was going on.  I just always wanted him to be honest with me.  I remember telling him that.  He lied, it was before we got engaged.  I know he could be still having these relations, but could it just be my feeling driving me crazy?  He hasn't done anything wrong since then, but the feelings don't always go away.  I want to know, should I just get over them and hope for the best instead of seeming like I am just trying to break us? Technically he has done no wrong since then.  I mean, could he be being honest with me about it now, since we are forever?  I want to believe him, I really do. But I feel that I did before and he stepped on my trust.  over and over, it may not have been a big deal to him but it is to me. 

    I want to know, should I try to see the light of all of this and just try to be a good supportive wife?  Should I try to trust him again?  Should I try to just forget about what happened and try to look forward to what is happening now and what will happen???

    I really think you should talk to an individual therapist. With more background, s/he'll be able to better assess whether your reaction is appropriate or not and help you overcome or address your doubts and concerns.

    As an aside, if all of this happened before you were engaged, and you had this many issues trusting him, why did you decide to marry him?

    Seriously, hash this out in counseling. It can help you learn so much about yourself!
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  • I know why I am the way I am.  I have had other relationships where they were untrustworthy and they all seem to stem from work.  I have given my trust and it has been trampled on.  Trust for me is huge and even though over all I do trust my guy, these things have held on.  I decided to marry this guy because he is wonderful.  He has the personality and everything about him that I have been looking for in a man my entire life.  He is funny, sweet, most of the time , lol I know he loves me.  But this is our only part of our relationship we have a major problem with.  Its is all because I cannot seem to get over his lies in the past.  I don't know but its like I am trying to catch him.  I figured that this would all fade as time went on, but it hasn't.  Therapy is pricey and we don't have the money for it. I have looked into it. 

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  • I did talk over the phone with a therapist a few times though, they basically tell me I need to get over this. I even say easier said than done, but that's all I hear. Even from my own mother.  She says she understands where I am coming from and I cant help the way I feel, but I need to find a way to get over it...  Ya it is easier said than done...  If I could I would.  I do but once it comes up, I try to talk about it with my H, he claims to be my BF, but when I try to talk to him about my feelings about this he gets all upset.  I am trying to get through this with him but he always brushes it under the rug.  I say sometimes I need him to hear me out and once I am able to relieve myself of it I can feel better.  But nope he decides to get upset with me, its the same shiz over and over...  How can I feel better about something when he gets all defensive about it when I do ask.  I don't bring this up all of the time.  I choose when I do...  Sorry, but sometimes it just feels good to get it off my chest.  If he would just listen to me for a little bit about it and try to make me feel more secure about it perhaps I twould stop? 

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    Wait a minute.  Is it one lie over buying something from her kid, or is it more than one?  Because you said once, then you said more than once.  Which is it?  What all is he lying about regarding her (that you've caught him)?  Do you catch him in lies that don't involve other women, or is it always something about another woman?
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  • Wait a minute.  Is it one lie over buying something from her kid, or is it more than one?  Because you said once, then you said more than once.  Which is it?  What all is he lying about regarding her (that you've caught him)?  Do you catch him in lies that don't involve other women, or is it always something about another woman?
    A lie when it came to the ex.  More than once when it came to having a relationship with some girl at work. I told him if they're friends fine, just tell me.  This other girl he works with, he just had gotten several texts over the course of time nothing dirty or inappropriate but still lied to me about her.  He claimed they never talked, which if they do fine, just be open about it.  I don't really care.  But the continuing lies were about her... Small yes, but still a lie.  Sad but I am not a forgetful person when it comes to being lied to regardless of the lie

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  • Here is the thing. I don't think you're being unreasonable, and those therapists kinda sound crappy. 
    If the lies are all about girls, and you specifically told him to tell you, that you would be fine with it, that's basically lying for no reason. 
    So either he randomly lies, or he has reason to lie about those girls. 
    How is it unreasonable to trust him, then? I would also be thinking in the back of my mind that he has just gotten better at hiding it. That he's just going to do what he's going to do without telling me, no matter how reasonable I am. 
    And him getting defensive without hearing me out, if I told him "Look, these feelings just need to be talked out. I just want to trust you. It's not a big deal, but it could be if we don't talk", would just make me more suspicious and angry. 

    And as far as I know, I personally haven't been cheated on. 

    He needs to realize that, while you're not putting him on trial or saying he's innately untrustworthy, that you need to iron this out-or it could have serious consequences. You know what they say-there is no love without trust. 

  • Has he admitted and apologized for lying in the past?

    You say now that you trust him and you love him and he's everything you want in a man. You said many times on the first page that you know he loves you and you are the girl of his dreams. If he has admitted his past lies and apologized, you seriously just need to move on if you want to be happy.

    If he is currently giving you reasons not to trust him, that's a different story. But everything you are telling us about him, according to you, happened before you got engaged and got married. These are in the past. They should have been addressed in the past. Holding onto grudges is the best way to ruin a relationship. If you can't trust him after those lies in the past, you shouldn't have married him. But you did marry him and now you're letting the past eat away at you.

    Again, this is all assuming he hasn't given you any current reason not to trust him. I'm just going by what you said about all of this happening a long time ago. It was weird and disrespectful he felt the need the lie about those things in the past--he shouldn't have done that. But haunting him with these feelings years later isn't going to solve anything. You either need to forgive and forget, do something proactive about the situation (couples counseling?), or you might just need to leave him if you think you will never get over this. I vote for one of the first two.
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  • hordol said:
    Has he admitted and apologized for lying in the past?

    You say now that you trust him and you love him and he's everything you want in a man. You said many times on the first page that you know he loves you and you are the girl of his dreams. If he has admitted his past lies and apologized, you seriously just need to move on if you want to be happy.

    If he is currently giving you reasons not to trust him, that's a different story. But everything you are telling us about him, according to you, happened before you got engaged and got married. These are in the past. They should have been addressed in the past. Holding onto grudges is the best way to ruin a relationship. If you can't trust him after those lies in the past, you shouldn't have married him. But you did marry him and now you're letting the past eat away at you.

    Again, this is all assuming he hasn't given you any current reason not to trust him. I'm just going by what you said about all of this happening a long time ago. It was weird and disrespectful he felt the need the lie about those things in the past--he shouldn't have done that. But haunting him with these feelings years later isn't going to solve anything. You either need to forgive and forget, do something proactive about the situation (couples counseling?), or you might just need to leave him if you think you will never get over this. I vote for one of the first two.
    This. Especially the part about you letting this eat away at you. You have legitimate reasons to be thinking, but over-analyzing this seems like a waste of time. Your H may have lied just because of your reaction to everything in the beginning. He may be thinking he knows "how you are" and he's not going to give more fuel to the fire to give you more to think about. It may be that simple and innocent. (I know that's not a best case scenario because that sucks that he's hiding things to prevent a reaction from you, but it's not the worst thing if you can build his trust in you and your reactions by NOT freaking out, NOT continuing to over-analyze, and NOT continuing to basically punish him for these things that happened before your engagement- I say punish because he could be seeing all these long talks as that.)

    I don't know how long you've been married, but there was a point when you decided you trusted him enough to get married. At that point you chose to drop this stuff. But you're not dropping it. If you choose to trust him now and let this go, you could help your relationship to get better and survive, but if this eats away at you like this, you are going to make yourself and eventually him go crazy over it. If you do choose to trust him, at least you're doing your part and if you find something out in the future about lies, you'll have another decision to make, but there's no way for you to be a fly on the wall in his office, so that's a choice you have to make. 
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  • Thank you everyone for all of the responses.  :)  I have read all of them and take all of your help into consideration.  Hordol and Theteno, I know!  I need to put it away and move on.  I do know he's a wonderful guy and I just need to see the best in him and hope for the best.  I am setting this up for failure and I don't want that.  Thanks again!!!

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  • I think the redecorating idea is a good one--there are a lot of tips and tricks you can do to make a space feel like an entirely new one, and they don't have to be expensive.  Make sure he's on board with this, and make it an adventure/project for the both of you.  I wouldn't necessarily present it to him as a "it's driving me bananas that your ex lived here and I have to eradicate her from the house."  I'd sit down with him and go through pictures or examples of home improvement projects that you can do together.

    And I, for one, will not judge you or call you insecure--because I struggle with a lot of anxiety issues and every now and again stuff like this will raise its ugly head in my own marriage.  I work hard to resolve these issues and fix whatever the hell is going on in my head.  It's just a medical condition that I have to learn how to manage for the rest of my life. 

    The situations we find ourselves in, well, we make the best decisions that we can at the time within the constraints of money, health, job, family etc etc issues.  Looking back I'm sure we all have situations that we made choices in and then looked back and with the benefit of hindsight thought "you know, I should have done it differently."  I can totally understand the whole "we can't afford to sell the house" right now.  If the money isn't there, it's not there.  While remodeling is not cheap (depending on how involved you want to get with this) it's not as bad as taking a huge hit on a bad sale and might even improve your home's value in the long run. 

    I wish you the best of luck! 
  • I take back some of my earlier post. He has lied to you several times about things that seem inconsequential but involve other girls? That's a problem I think you're freaking out about the house because you are displacing/projecting your anxieties about his lies. And those anxieties aren't crazy at all. They are completely rational. The only crazy thing is that you are funneling all this into the house, instead of rationally addressing his trustworthiness.
  • Asewell, exactly...  It has some about this house, but this house is just like a reminder of his lies I guess you can say....  The house is just a piece..  I do have anxiety problems now, which I never used to before.  As I've gotten older things seem to get to me more than they used to.  Boooo.  It is the trustworthiness that bothers me.  I want to believe him.  I really do, but I just find it hard to.  As some of the other people said, I think I need to stop and just sit back and hope he is not doing this, lies, and just enjoy life.  I have been so obsessed with the thought that I think he may still be lying to me that its making my life miserable.  I need to teach myself to chill out and quit letting my head think so much about things that may not be going on anymore.  If I do end up catching him in a lie or whatever, then I will deal with it.  As of now, I need to just trust my husband and hope for the best.  Since that is what we got married for , so we can enjoy eachother forever as husband and wife...

     

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  • I mean this in the sincerest way possible, but you need to get your sh*t together.  You go on and on and on about how much you love him, how you are meant to be, but you know what.  That is all words.  Your actions prove otherwise.  Have you ever stopped to think about how you are making him feel ?  Here is his trying his best to work hard, prove himself, be an asset to his company, get a sense of accomplishment, provide for himself and his family; and you can't get over that fact that he might walk past her on his way to the bathroom.  Why in the world are you choosing to focus on that ?  Yeah I understand it is weird and awkward, but why in the world would you make him going to work everyday so downright miserable.  On top of that, he can't even come home and relax without you talking about how she took a dump in the toilet or some other nonsense. 

    Do you not understand that there isn't much he can do about it.  My god, is isn't like he has a box of her old valentines day cards, it is his job and his home.  The job market is crappy now so going out and getting another job isn't always an option.  The housing market is pretty crappy too, so again, I don't know what else you expect him to do outside of taking a big loss and draining his savings or ruining his credit. 

    Stop focusing on her and start focusing on him.  What can you do to make your marriage stronger, what can you do to make your home more comfortable, what can you do to make him a success where he works  ? If you love him as much as you profess, then start backing it up with real action and for heaven's sake stop obsessing about his ex, because if you don't, then you might join her club one day.


    This exactly
  • I disagree with a lot of what was written above so I stopped reading, and am just going to reply with something I've seen for myself. A friend of mine remained best friends with his ex for about 4 years after they broke up... they decided they were just really great friends and not romantically compatible. He started dating a new girl, and told her "this is how it is, she's my best friend". The new girl was so in love with him, she didn't mind. In the intense passion they had, his ex seemed like a non-issue. Then as the relationship between them fell out of the initial in-lust phase, and they began to relate more as two people... it started to bother her. As time went on, it bothered her more. It just happens, so I completely get why you thought you could get over it, but haven't.

    That said, it would bother the crap out of me if my husband worked with his ex! I make no secret about being a jealous person, pretty much since I was a toddler, and that would drive me insane. And what's a forum like this for, if not to vent about those feelings?

    Obviously though, you can't just ask him to quit his job and abandon his house. If he understands your place, maybe you can help him keep his feelers out for a new job. Make sure his Linkedin profile is up to date, his resume is available online, and do your own weekly checking on craiglist, Monster, Indeed, SimplyHired, etc. Finding a better job never hurt anybody.

    With the house, my husband moved in to my house after I lived in it with my ex, and he definitely experienced those feelings. Once he moved a dresser drawer and found a bunch of my ex's clothing. Another time he was cataloging photos from CDs and found a bunch of photos of him. He just comes up when you least expect it. You could potentially rent it out, but sometimes the market doesn't allow for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to share a space with her, when you're already sharing your husband's time. New paint, photos up of you both, and creating other new memories together can help. Good luck.
  • After reading everything, I think that even if your H finds a new job, you will still have the same issues.  I would highly suggest you find a better therapist for yourself.

    I moved into my H's house, that he bought with his ex-wife, then after they divorced his ex girlfriend lived there.  He has a kid with both woman... he has to interact with them on a regular basis and yea, I didn't love his house, but I did some renovations, painting and brough in my furniture and it was fine. 

    The therapist will help you find ways to deal with your jealousy (that is what it sounds like to me).  If you don't, you could ruin your marriage and drive this "wonderful" guy away.

    GL!

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  • You definitely have to let it go (I know it's not that easy), but I do not blame you AT ALL for how you feel.  It's a crappy situation to be in.  Hope you find some peace.
  • Okay, I am fine with letting this go.  I have worked on it.  I still am.  As of now, I have been trying to be supportive of his job, trying to get a feel and understand what it is exactly he does.  We still are learning.  The thing I think why these things do not get dropped is he freaks out anytime I ask him any sort of question at all about work.  I mean anything.  I will ask him how his day went, and how a meeting went or whatever, where he had to go and he flips out on me.  I am trying to talk with my H about is day and about his job. I want to be a supportive wife when it comes to everything.  I want him to be able to talk with me about work, about people he works with and all that. 

    Why does he still get so defensive when I am getting over this hump and I am trying to move forward.  He keeps these things fresh in my mind.  I will ask about something so innocent, totally normal types of things that people talk about and he gets so upset.  How do we move past this when I am trying and he is still on the defensive side?  How can we communicate when he wont let it be a conversation and he needs to cause an argument about anything I ask about work?  I want to be a part of that part of his life, in some aspect.  I would love to know more about that part of his life and not feel so far away..  Does that make me an insecure woman?  I mean, is there something wrong with what I am doing here???

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