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This isn't normal, right? Loss related

I'm in a secret FB group for women in my area who have experienced late pregnancy loss or infant loss. I haven't met any of them IRL, though there is a monthly GTG. I don't attend.

Someone just posted in the group that her sister is KU an she hopes the baby dies.

WTF, right?!

But even weirder, NINE people have responded and said her feelings are normal.

I'm about to leave the group. I find that horribly offensive and sick.

Who TF ever wishes that?
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  • That is totally effed up. How could you ever wish that on anyone. Especially your own sister?!
  • Yeah, I have no experience with loss, but I don't think that's normal or even excusable.   Wow.
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  • Wow. As much as a loss sucks (and I can't even imagine a late loss) I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
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  • I defnitely think that's crossed a line.

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  • I feel strongly about not judging the way someone grieves, but good god, I can't even handle this.
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  • I can't even begin to imagine how I'd feel, but I don't think I'd consider that a normal thought.





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  • I'm creeped out by it, but what's really making me side eye the whole thing is that 9 other women think it's totally normal. I can understanding wishing that she wasn't pregnant (as in, the situation wasn't what it is), but wishing a loss on someone is top notch messed up.

    I hope this woman (and the others) are actively seeing therapists. That comment isn't something a supportive friend can address.
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  • That is horrible.  I can't even imagine someone wishing that upon another person. 

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  • Mmm yeah, I don't want to judge others grief when I haven't felt it, but I think she needs counseling if she's not already in it. Wishing death on her sisters unborn baby crosses the line. I'm glad you're leaving the camp.

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  • Dude that's fucked.

    Yes losing a baby sucks, like the worst suck ever. But that is the EXACT reason I wouldn't wish it on anyone! Sometimes I wish people realized how blessed they are and how easily they had a baby, but never that a child of theirs would die. Yikes.

    I'm sorry you will be losing a support system if you do choose to leave.

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  • the baby is her niece or nephew. she is wishing one of her family members would die. 
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  • I honestly don't even know how to respond to that. I can see thinking it and then feeling horribly guilty for having it even cross her mind, but sharing it in a group is a completely different level of messed up, in my opinion. I'm concerned that there seems to be no remorse in her statement.
  • Yeah that's really messed up, I'd be leaving the group too...

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  • I honestly don't even know how to respond to that. I can see thinking it and then feeling horribly guilty for having it even cross her mind, but sharing it in a group is a completely different level of messed up, in my opinion. I'm concerned that there seems to be no remorse in her statement.
    This is what I'm thinking too. For it to be posted and for a bunch of other women to agree that it's "normal" is scary. I can't personally relate, but that seems like an extreme thought, even while grieving. 

    ILRV - I'm sorry you have to even consider loosing your local support system, though. That sucks. :(
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  • Wow, that is so crazy that someone would say that!

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  • Definitely fucked up.

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  • I can see the thought crossing her mind. Bc you can't control your thoughts, especially in grief. I can see sharing it in a group like that. But for it to be dismissed as normal is worrisome.
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  • Wow! That is so wrong!

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  • Wow. I don't even know what to say. I've never experienced loss so I can't really imagine how that aspect of TTC feels, but to wish the same on someone else is just terrible and cruel. I'm going to assume that person has not sought counseling to deal with her grief and she clearly needs to if she is wishing such an awful thing on someone else.
  • I feel strongly about not judging the way someone grieves, but good god, I can't even handle this.
    I think it's one thing to grieve, but it's another whole level to actively wish tragedy on someone else, especially your own family member! I could sympathize with her expressing her anger at the situation, or admitting the thought crossed her mind, but I could never understand someone being completely unremorseful at wishing her sister's unborn baby would die. She (and the women who consider her feelings "normal") really needs to seek counseling to deal with her grief, because that is not appropriate.
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  • I can't give a personal response since I have not had a loss myself, but I don't think I would ever wish that upon someone.  I know that everyone experiences grief in their own way, but she really needs to talk to a therapist about how she feels.  At some point she is going to realize that this is her niece or nephew that she is talking about.
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  • Yea that doesn't seem normal to me.
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  • I feel strongly about not judging the way someone grieves, but good god, I can't even handle this.
     
    What did people say to her? I hope she didn't mean it but can't believe she even went there.
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  • Not normal at all! I would never wish that on someone. 
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  • I can only echo what PPs said.  Not normal or healthy.  
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  • I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. 
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  • One of my close friends lost her baby boy at 27 weeks back in September.  How could anyone be that heartless?  
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  • Ugh. That is awful. I can't even imagine THINKING that, let alone SAYING it. Geez Louise. I'm sorry you even had to be subjected to that.

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  • Are you going to say something?  That is really fucked up.
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