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aggiebug · December 2013

Lillie for someone who says they want equality and stand against hate. Your words and arguments are quite hateful towards anyone who disagrees with you. Which I find hypocritical.

Hate begets hate.

lilliesandvino · December 2013

Better a hypocrite than a bigot.

lilliesandvino · December 2013

Listen, you can believe whatever you want. I don't care about your beliefs until they infringe on the happiness and civil rights of others.

Beliefs about homosexuality being a lifestyle and "wrong" hurt people. They keep people from living the lives they want. Why are you (general you ffs) ok with hurting people?

aggiebug · December 2013

No one here said they thought their beliefs should impact the lives of others. No one here said that because they believe same sex marriage is a sin they believe it should be illegal.

There is a difference between people's faith and what they believe should be legal.

But it doesn't matter what I say it is automatically wrong isnt it?

Even though you don't actually know my stance on the issue

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

Excessive punctuation is bothering me on this thread.

LooneyLife · December 2013

aggiebug said:

No one here said they thought their beliefs should impact the lives of others. No one here said that because they believe same sex marriage is a sin they believe it should be illegal. There is a difference between people's faith and what they believe should be legal. But it doesn't matter what I say it is automatically wrong isnt it? Even though you don't actually know my stance on the issue

And therein lies the problem. When someone vocalizes their beliefs (especially in front of a national audience) it DOES impact the lives of others.

lilliesandvino · December 2013

BruinsBabe33 said:
Excessive punctuation is bothering me on this thread.

But I thought that those who shouted the loudest (or punctuated the most) were usually right?

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

lilliesandvino said:

BruinsBabe33 said:
Excessive punctuation is bothering me on this thread.
But I thought that those who shouted the loudest (or punctuated the most) were usually right?

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BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

LooneyLife said:

aggiebug said:

No one here said they thought their beliefs should impact the lives of others. No one here said that because they believe same sex marriage is a sin they believe it should be illegal.

There is a difference between people's faith and what they believe should be legal.

But it doesn't matter what I say it is automatically wrong isnt it?

Even though you don't actually know my stance on the issue

And therein lies the problem. When someone vocalizes their beliefs (especially in front of a national audience) it DOES impact the lives of others.

Yes!

lilliesandvino · December 2013

You won my heart long ago, dear!

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

lilliesandvino said:
You won my heart long ago, dear!

Was it when I sailed across the ocean to get to you?

MH1006 · December 2013

You're all wrong

lilliesandvino · December 2013

Uh oh.

amandaf6383 · December 2013

amandaf6383 · December 2013

I'll never be too old for Mean Girls gifs.

lfk2013 · December 2013

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

LuckyAngel07 said:

MH1006 said:

hardlyhannah said:

Chiming in - I think it is interesting that everyone is focusing on the anti-gay comments that he made and kind of skipping over the fact that he said black people were better off before pre-civil rights...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/19/phil-robertson-black-people_n_4473474.html

True! I think that's just what most people latched onto.

I also think that his experience with how blacks lived/were treated/what they thought was so extremely limited based on where he lived, he has no real idea what their lives were like on a large scale. He spoke based on his very very limited experience and exposure. So I took it with a major grain of salt and moved on.
Did he not also speak about homosexuality based on his very very limited experience and exposure? Cause that's the impression I got. Also, calling someone a bigot is a bold and unsavory accusation. Telling said person that they are over reacting and to "take deep breaths" is just wrong.

No, he spoke about his beliefs about homosexuality based entirely on what the Bible says, which, despite his beliefs that it is the unerring word of God, was written by men just as flawed as you or I.

The interview quoted him as saying the black he saw on a daily basis working in the fields of poor and rural northern LA seemed happy with their lot in life (more or less). The fact that he'd generalize that to ALL blacks living under pre-civil rights laws is the problem. He had no clue what others dealt with, so how could he say they were all happy living that way?

BTW, I didn't call anyone a bigot or stupid or ignorant or any other name. But Cloudy kept posting agitated remarks and I was just trying to restore a semblance of peace so we could keep having a discussion and not have it turn into all-out emotional drama.

Then again, once you stepped in, what else could we expect.

Ha ha ha!!! This is fabulous I am the one with the agitated remarks. Love it! Lillie is so right. My bad for disagreeing with her. What the heck was I thinking. Right side, left side, which is right?? At least one side is willing to see an small understanding to both sides without calling names for voicing an opinion.

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

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cloudymeatballs · December 2013

LooneyLife said:

aggiebug said:

No one here said they thought their beliefs should impact the lives of others. No one here said that because they believe same sex marriage is a sin they believe it should be illegal. There is a difference between people's faith and what they believe should be legal. But it doesn't matter what I say it is automatically wrong isnt it? Even though you don't actually know my stance on the issue

And therein lies the problem. When someone vocalizes their beliefs (especially in front of a national audience) it DOES impact the lives of others.

Simply turn the page or the channel. There are plenty things on tv I do not agree with, but do I go bitching to the people about it to get rid of it?? NO! Everybody has the right to their own beliefs!

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

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cloudymeatballs · December 2013

MH1006 said:

You're all wrong

Oh no Mh1006 we are the wrong ones here. Didn't you figure that out yet??? LMAO!!!!!!

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

These darn dupes are driving me nuts!!!

ILoveRedVino · December 2013

@cloudymeatballs -- take it with a grain of salt. Most people who've been around for a while have been flamed at some point.

I respect those who stand up for what they believe in, regardless of whether I agree or not. I think they key is to stand up for your beliefs in a way that doesn't attack others. As I've said, I like Phil. I think he chose the wrong words and the wrong place.

I read today that the family is standing behind him and said the show may not continue. I greatly respect that decision, if they choose it, as well.

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

I totally agree here @iloveredvino Oh and I have had a few too many glasses tonight of this! haha

I totally respect peoples' feelings as well. I am so fine with everybody's opinions here, that's what I was looking for. This was the whole point of the thread.

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

Everybody has a right to their opinion. And I personally do not think it is right to be fired just because somebody doesn't agree with what I believe. That just seems so wrong tome..

MH1006 · December 2013

ILoveRedVino said:
@cloudymeatballs -- take it with a grain of salt. Most people who've been around for a while have been flamed at some point.

So suck it up. Ugly behavior is not only accepted, it's encouraged! Getting flamed is like a badge of honor here. Don't you feel special?! Hooray!!

MH1006 · December 2013

Nvm

lfk2013 · December 2013

This article is very powerful.

And sums up a lot, regardless of what you believe.

lilliesandvino · December 2013

If your views and "beliefs!!1!" are also supported by Sarah Palin, the Westboro Baptist Church, and the Family Reaearch Council, you may want to take a minute to reevaluate.

ILoveRedVino · December 2013

MH1006 said:

ILoveRedVino said:
@cloudymeatballs -- take it with a grain of salt. Most people who've been around for a while have been flamed at some point.
So suck it up. Ugly behavior is not only accepted, it's encouraged! Getting flamed is like a badge of honor here. Don't you feel special?! Hooray!!

That isn't what I meant.

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