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cloudymeatballs · December 2013

There is always going to be topics that get a little more heated than others, its great. It makes things interesting.

Things like this is one of them. We aren't going to all agree! Lilles really just stop!

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

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aggiebug · December 2013

Oh Lillie you are ridiculously judgemental it's comical.

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

So, I would like to pose a question. If God loves everyone equally and everyone sins and no sin is greater or less of a sin, and you can love someone even though they are sinners why is homosexuality talked about so frequently? If homosexuality is = stealing in God's eyes why are people more likely to talk about homosexuality being against God's word than stealing?

lilliesandvino · December 2013

BruinsBabe33 said:
So, I would like to pose a question. If God loves everyone equally and everyone sins and no sin is greater or less of a sin, and you can love someone even though they are sinners why is homosexuality talked about so frequently? If homosexuality is = stealing in God's eyes why are people more likely to talk about homosexuality being against God's word than stealing?

Because it's icky?

Jk, it's cause of the whole lifestyle thing. Duh.

aggiebug · December 2013

Bruins it's not. It's just a hot social topic right now so it is "news worthy" when someone makes a comment in reference to it.

aggiebug · December 2013

Well and stealing is not quite so controversial.

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

But there are always news worthy stories about stealing. CEOs stealing millions from their companies, investment bankers stealing from celebrities etc. there is never an outcry like this when that happens. I just feel like if you truly believe every sin is equal these news stories would have the same controversy. And that is the general "you" not singling out. I'm genuinely curious.

ILoveRedVino · December 2013

My guess is because theft, perjury, murder, etc are punishable by law. If you steal, society/law says that you are wrong and will suffer the consequences.

Society as a whole hasn't decided how it feels about homosexuality so there is a debate to be had.

aggiebug · December 2013

Because it's not a buzz word topic. And I would say to some degree we are used to it.

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

I guess my point is that those people who believe that the bible is the infallible word of God and that all sins are equal then it shouldn't matter what the sin is it should be a live and let live situation. So whether the sin is homosexuality, premarital sex, stealing, lying or adultery they are all equal in God's eyes so there isn't a need to point out each other's sins. So I guess what I don't understand is why people feel the need to point out that homosexuality is a sin unless the point out all sins, and further more why they have to go in to details of why homosexuality is wrong when those same people are not explaining why stealing and lying are wrong.

aggiebug · December 2013

I don't disagree. I do believe it is discussed more than you hear, its just not "newsworthy". I honestly believe GQ would not have published that statement if it was just about lying and stealing. That wouldn't sell their magazine.

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

I agree that GQ wouldn't have published the article if it were about lying and stealing and that is exactly my point. What makes homosexuality such a hot topic is that people don't actually treat it as an equal sin, but as a sin greater than other sins, hence why it is a hot topic and by doing so that makes speaking out against homosexual behavior (even if you are just stating that it is a sin and you still love homosexuals as much as the next sinner) anti-gay.

Homosexuality has been documented for thousands of years, but for some reason now people are fixating on it and making people feel badly about who they are. Imagine if someone who held the attention of millions of fans spoke out about you. Perhaps being straight was a hot topic issue. Would you stop loving your husband or no longer be sexually attracted to men? Say your faith was strong, but loving a woman made you unhappy and unfulfilled or made you feel like you were missing an essential part of your life would you give up your happiness because God said you had to love someone of the same sex?

aggiebug · December 2013

But I don't think Christians(in general, there are the extremes in any religion) see any sin as greater than another. It is the media that emphasizes it and elevates one sin over another. It has long been held as a sin in Christianity that hasn't changed.

This isn't new the "highlighted" sin just changes.

ILoveRedVino · December 2013

BruinsBabe33 said:
Say your faith was strong, but loving a woman made you unhappy and unfulfilled or made you feel like you were missing an essential part of your life would you give up your happiness because God said you had to love someone of the same sex?

There are people here who feel unfulfilled without children but won't do fertility treatments for religious reasons.

It's just a thought. But I completely agree with you.

I can't fathom why I should have rights that others don't.

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

That's a really good point @iloveredvino . But I have a similar stance on that. I also believe that God created the minds who created the technology and scientific advancements to allow women and men to receive help to get pregnant.

@aggiesbug if people stopped reacting to certain stories the media would shift focus. People dictate the media, not the other way around in situations like this. Also, I just guess I can't ever understand how a religion based on love could ever say love is a sin.

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

That's a really good point @iloveredvino . But I have a similar stance on that. I also believe that God created the minds who created the technology and scientific advancements to allow women and men to receive help to get pregnant.

@aggiesbug if people stopped reacting to certain stories the media would shift focus. People dictate the media, not the other way around in situations like this. Also, I just guess I can't ever understand how a religion based on love could ever say love is a sin.

aggiebug · December 2013

Yes if people stopped reacting they would stop focusing on it. The people reacting aren't all from one side of the argument. Why are Christians the ones getting the blame for the media hype? They are one side, there is a quite vocal other side too. Annnnd it's not all Christians nor just Christians with diagree with homosexuality.

Yes in this instance the statement was made based on their Christian beliefs, but it isn't always. And again it was published because they knew their would be a reaction.

If we all agreed this thread would have died before it really started. No matter which side we all came down on. We don't though, and based on current events we are emotional and have strong reactions and thus the prolonged and heated discussion.

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

I'm not blaming Christians. I am a Christian. I'm just debating the points that have been thrown out there and not in a heated way. I'm genuinely curious to read the responses. This is just how I am. In real life and on a message board. I enjoy a good debate. I also feel like none of my questions were really answered, which is why I'm still responding.

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

And adding on to that, I am Christian and I don't believe all sins are equal. I think murder, and rape are way worse than lying or gluttony and I think that lumping them as the same in God's eyes is ignorant. I don't think you will be sent to hell if someone asks you how you're doing and you reply, "oh, fine" when you are not fine. I do think you will be sent to hell if you force yourself on to someone or take someone's life.

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

Well said Aggiebug It has a lot to do with the media. Loud things that get attention stay in the media. Look a those stupid car chases! Ridiculous yet all over the news. What gets ratings gets tv time.

cloudymeatballs · December 2013

Well said Aggiebug It has a lot to do with the media. Loud things that get attention stay in the media. Look a those stupid car chases! Ridiculous yet all over the news. What gets ratings gets tv time.

brij2006 · December 2013

BruinsBabe33 said:

So, I would like to pose a question. If God loves everyone equally and everyone sins and no sin is greater or less of a sin, and you can love someone even though they are sinners why is homosexuality talked about so frequently? If homosexuality is = stealing in God's eyes why are people more likely to talk about homosexuality being against God's word than stealing?

People are more likely to talk about homosexuality being against God's word than stealing, because stealing is considered wrong in most everyone's eyes. No matter your beliefs. It's something that is punishable by law, and almost nobody argues against.
To where homosexuality is a sin based purely on religious beliefs. Someone who is athiest is going to say that there is nothing wrong with it, and someone who worships the Bible is going to say it is a sin and will be against it.

BruinsBabe33 said:

Homosexuality has been documented for thousands of years, but for some reason now people are fixating on it and making people feel badly about who they are. Imagine if someone who held the attention of millions of fans spoke out about you. Perhaps being straight was a hot topic issue. Would you stop loving your husband or no longer be sexually attracted to men? Say your faith was strong, but loving a woman made you unhappy and unfulfilled or made you feel like you were missing an essential part of your life would you give up your happiness because God said you had to love someone of the same sex?

Yes, I agree that people and society today are fixating on homosexuality as being in the limelight. It's the hot topic, because we are now voting on whether or not to make same sex marriage legal. This was not a topic or issue 100 years ago. Homosexuality was something that was brushed under the rug. It was apparent in those times, but it was not brought up in public discussion. The Christian views and Bible beliefs were more predominant then. To where now they are not, and there are more people fighting them.

As far as your question about whether someone would go toward same sex marriage if that was not a sin but man/woman marriage was.
This is where I stand on that front... We are all sinners. Everyone just sins in a different way. Some sin with adultry, some it's homosexuality, others it's lying. So is homosexuality a sin in God's eyes? Yes. So are many other things that we are all guilty of. This is why you ask for forgiveness of your sins. Everyone sins in different ways, and for someone who is homosexual, that is how they sin. God does not ask that you do not sin at all, because then you are trying to be like him and nobody can be God. He's the only one who has not sinned. But you are to recognize your sins and ask for forgiveness.

So in my beliefs, someone can be Christian and be a homosexual. Same with how someone can drink to get drunk or steal, and still be a Christian.

Disclaimer: I am not the best at debating Christianity, beliefs, or the Bible. I am pretty deep in my faith, but I can not reference a story in the Bible for anything.

aggiebug · December 2013

Bruins I respect your questions and the discussion. I hope I don't come across in a defensive manner.

What questions do you still have. I try and answer but I am not the best at written discussions. I am better in person :-)

BruinsBabe33 · December 2013

I have a pretty powerful connection with God and I do not think homosexuality is a sin. I do not believe that God is cruel enough to wire someone to be attracted to the same sex and then tell them it's wrong to be who they are.

As far as homosexuality being brushes under the rug in other civilizations, the Greeks considered women to be on a lower level than men and to express your sexuality with a woman unless you were trying to pro create was looked down on. Most Pharohs have documented lovers for similar reasons.

I would also like to say that I'm not attacking here or trying to make anyone give up their beliefs and if you feel that way, I'm sorry.

brij2006 · December 2013

@bruinsbabe33 I don't feel that you're trying to attack anyone or have them give up their beliefs.

Honestly, I like hearing your take on this too. There are so many different ways you can interpret the Bible, and almost every Christian understands the words and are taught differently.

As far as your comment about sins not being all equal. I agree that they are not equal. However, I disagree that someone who has committed murder is doomed to Hell no matter what. But I believe in forgiveness of sins. Someone who has committed murder will have to ask for forgiveness and come to terms with their sin in a much deeper regard than someone who lied about how they felt that day. That is where I also feel that it is awesome that prisons teach the word of God. It allows people to understand that they can make their lives right and be forgiven.

IceHide61313 · December 2013

Since this is a Duck Dynasty thread and not just a random debate:

In Phil's eyes/belief, he sees it as a sin is a sin is a sin. They are all equal. I'm not saying I agree with him, and I'm not saying I disagree. But we have to remember this is how he was taught Christianity.

Also, Phil may believe that if people are hardwired to be homosexual by God, then maybe that is God's temptation to the gay person. Just a thought?

I hope that makes sense. I'm not very good with written debate or grammar for that matter.

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